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guv1976 Oct 11, 2023 12:56 pm


Originally Posted by memanny (Post 35655487)
Thanks for all the wonderful insights.

I am getting a fair idea of AA, AS, BA, QA, QF FFPs. But still not a great deal of info on AY, CX and IB.

I am still playing with my RTW itinerary routing. But how do i maximize my mileage accrual for J. Or it does not matter and all FFPs will credit mileage at same rates ?

Also what gives me best chance to get One World Emerals status with an approx 41K itinerary traveling on J.

No, each FFP has its own earnings rates and its own redemption rates (and fees and rules). And each program has its own rules for awarding elite status.

Depending on how many segments there will be on your RTW journey, how many of them will be marketed or operated by BA, how many will be marketed and operated by IB, and how long each of the segments will be, you might be able to attain BA Gold (oneworld Emerald) status. But then, of course, you would be earning BA Avios, and not some other frequent-flyer currency.

You need 1,500 BAEC Tier Points in a qualifying year to earn BAEC Gold. You must also have flown a total of at least four flights operated or marketed by BA and/or marketed and operated by IB.

Each Business Class flight of 2,000 miles or more on oneworld carriers credited to BAEC earns at least 140 TP.

memanny Oct 11, 2023 4:17 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 35655647)
No, each FFP has its own earnings rates and its own redemption rates (and fees and rules). And each program has its own rules for awarding elite status.

Depending on how many segments there will be on your RTW journey, how many of them will be marketed or operated by BA, how many will be marketed and operated by IB, and how long each of the segments will be, you might be able to attain BA Gold (oneworld Emerald) status. But then, of course, you would be earning BA Avios, and not some other frequent-flyer currency.

You need 1,500 BAEC Tier Points in a qualifying year to earn BAEC Gold. You must also have flown a total of at least four flights operated or marketed by BA and/or marketed and operated by IB.

Each Business Class flight of 2,000 miles or more on oneworld carriers credited to BAEC earns at least 140 TP.

Is there a tool to figure this out. Only one of my long distance segments is with BA. I have not finalized my itinerary as yet but so far i am traveling with JAL, CX, QF, QR, BA, ,and AA. So i am not sticking to one airline.

guv1976 Oct 11, 2023 5:17 pm


Originally Posted by memanny (Post 35656204)
Is there a tool to figure this out. Only one of my long distance segments is with BA. I have not finalized my itinerary as yet but so far i am traveling with JAL, CX, QF, QR, BA, ,and AA. So i am not sticking to one airline.

The long-distance segments do not have to be on BA. But you must have a total of four segments (of any length) that are BA-marketed or BA-operated, or IB-marketed and IB-operated. It is possible that you might have a segment marketed by BA, but operated by another carrier, say AA or QR.

In addition to the four "eligible" segments, you must amass a total of 1,500 BAEC Tier Points to attain BAEC Gold .You can click on the BA "Flight Calculator" at this site to determine how many Avios and Tier Points each segment would earn:

https://www.britishairways.com/en-us...-avios/flights

But as previously noted, any Business Class segment of more than 2,000 miles flown on any oneworld carrier will earn at least 140 Tier Points if you credit the flight to BAEC.

dvs7310 Oct 11, 2023 7:01 pm


Originally Posted by memanny (Post 35655487)
Thanks for all the wonderful insights.

I am getting a fair idea of AA, AS, BA, QA, QF FFPs. But still not a great deal of info on AY, CX and IB.

I am still playing with my RTW itinerary routing. But how do i maximize my mileage accrual for J. Or it does not matter and all FFPs will credit mileage at same rates ?

Also what gives me best chance to get One World Emerals status with an approx 41K itinerary traveling on J.


Originally Posted by memanny (Post 35656204)
Is there a tool to figure this out. Only one of my long distance segments is with BA. I have not finalized my itinerary as yet but so far i am traveling with JAL, CX, QF, QR, BA, ,and AA. So i am not sticking to one airline.

I think with the right itinerary you could get to Emerald with any of BA, QR, AA, or AS quite easily. There are other threads for xONEx optimization, but since you're choosing the FF plan based on earnings and status, throw up a tentative itinerary you're working on and we can let you know the feasibility. BA and QR use a block based tier point system so maximizing long hauls wouldn't be the primary goal, while AA you'd want to maximize long hauls with specific partners and avoid certain others, with AS they all credit pretty nicely but you'd want to try for some AS segments to bring down the number you'd have to do in mileage runs.

When you're checking for earnings rates, you'll be looking at D fares (I'm assuming DONEx here, but don't remember if you specified, I don't think you can get to Emerald on an economy ticket alone). Wheretocredit.com gives you some idea as well, just change the airline at the top but you'll be starting out at base level and moving up through the tiers quite quickly as you fly where bonuses will start kicking in on some airlines. Bonus earnings won't matter for status on QR or BA but certainly will if you go with AA.

When considering BA, keep in mind BA, IB, and QR Avios are interchangeable so when one has a better award chart or availability than the other, you can move the Avios instantly between them, presumably AY will be the same next year though at the moment their award chart and program isn't very appealing, have to wait and see if that changes next year or not. EI (Aer Lingus) also participates though I've personally never found any use for their awards, but from the US to Europe you may very well find it useful and their business class seems quite acceptable (however that's long haul only, intra-Europe is economy only).

QR has the same 4 segment requirement as BA, but I wouldn't dismiss QR Platinum (OW Emerald) if your travel will continue to take you via DOH. Platinums get access to the First Class Al Safwa lounge when on QR business tickets (a DONEx would count if you were QR Platinum already). It's extremely easy to put 4x QR segments on a DONEx to meet that requirement and they have much lower fuel surcharges than BA.

guv1976 Oct 11, 2023 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 35656538)
I think with the right itinerary you could get to Emerald with any of BA, QR, AA, or AS quite easily..

Not so sure about AA, given the mix of carriers already identified for this particular trip. All AA segments earn Loyalty Points based on the pre-tax fare attributable to those segments, not the distance flown. Ditto with BA and IB segments, effective October 18, 2023. And if the OP wants to attain OWE status solely from this RTW trip, I do not see how he could do so by crediting to AS.

If we had a better idea of the specific RTW itinerary (including carriers for each segment), I think that we could give better advice.

memanny Oct 11, 2023 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 35656576)
Not so sure about AA, given the mix of carriers already identified for this particular trip. All AA segments earn Loyalty Points based on the pre-tax fare attributable to those segments, not the distance flown. Ditto with BA and IB segments, effective October 18, 2023. And if the OP wants to attain OWE status solely from this RTW trip, I do not see how he could do so by crediting to AS.

If we had a better idea of the specific RTW itinerary (including carriers for each segment), I think that we could give better advice.


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 35656538)
I think with the right itinerary you could get to Emerald with any of BA, QR, AA, or AS quite easily. There are other threads for xONEx optimization, but since you're choosing the FF plan based on earnings and status, throw up a tentative itinerary you're working on and we can let you know the feasibility. BA and QR use a block based tier point system so maximizing long hauls wouldn't be the primary goal, while AA you'd want to maximize long hauls with specific partners and avoid certain others, with AS they all credit pretty nicely but you'd want to try for some AS segments to bring down the number you'd have to do in mileage runs.

When you're checking for earnings rates, you'll be looking at D fares (I'm assuming DONEx here, but don't remember if you specified, I don't think you can get to Emerald on an economy ticket alone). Wheretocredit.com gives you some idea as well, just change the airline at the top but you'll be starting out at base level and moving up through the tiers quite quickly as you fly where bonuses will start kicking in on some airlines. Bonus earnings won't matter for status on QR or BA but certainly will if you go with AA.

When considering BA, keep in mind BA, IB, and QR Avios are interchangeable so when one has a better award chart or availability than the other, you can move the Avios instantly between them, presumably AY will be the same next year though at the moment their award chart and program isn't very appealing, have to wait and see if that changes next year or not. EI (Aer Lingus) also participates though I've personally never found any use for their awards, but from the US to Europe you may very well find it useful and their business class seems quite acceptable (however that's long haul only, intra-Europe is economy only).

QR has the same 4 segment requirement as BA, but I wouldn't dismiss QR Platinum (OW Emerald) if your travel will continue to take you via DOH. Platinums get access to the First Class Al Safwa lounge when on QR business tickets (a DONEx would count if you were QR Platinum already). It's extremely easy to put 4x QR segments on a DONEx to meet that requirement and they have much lower fuel surcharges than BA.

I am super newb to this.

Itinerary 1:
HND-HKG - JL
Hkg-SIN - CX
SIN-MEL - QF
MEL-SYD - QF
SYD-BCN - QR
BCN-HEL - AY
HEL-LHR - AY
LHR-DEN - BA
DEN-MIA - AA
MIA-GIG - AA
GIG -EZE - BA
EZE-LAX - AA
LAX-HND - JL.

The is the shorter one, it does not include IST. Plan here is to take 3 months in DEN(home) before going to GIG.

Itinerary 2:
HND-HKG - JL
HKG-SIN - CX
SIN-MEL - QF
MEL-SYD - QF
SYD-IST - QR
-IST-lHR - BA
LHR-BCN - BA
BCN-HEL - AY
HEL-DFW - AY
DFW-EZE - AA
EZE-GIG - BA
GIG-LAX - AA
LAX-HND - JL

This includes IST.

I would be interested how to maximize 4 segments on QR.

Edit: I just found out BA is starting services between GIG and EZE. So I included that in my itinerary.

dvs7310 Oct 11, 2023 9:15 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 35656576)
Not so sure about AA, given the mix of carriers already identified for this particular trip. All AA segments earn Loyalty Points based on the pre-tax fare attributable to those segments, not the distance flown. Ditto with BA and IB segments, effective October 18, 2023. And if the OP wants to attain OWE status solely from this RTW trip, I do not see how he could do so by crediting to AS.

If we had a better idea of the specific RTW itinerary (including carriers for each segment), I think that we could give better advice.

That's a fair point and definitely a huge TBD about what AA does with BA and IB segments on an xONEx post Oct. 18th.

From the limited data points I can find (including my own) other OW carrier plated DONEx's seem to have AA segments credit by distance as a special fare but I'm too nervous about that so even on my own upcoming one, I had AKL-DFW ticketed as QF 4396 vs AA 34 despite QF being 150% vs AA 175% if it were again credited as distance, it's too long of a segment to risk. Also rumor in the BA forums is that BA is going to continue to credit xONEx as distance in BAEC, though currently AA certainly has no indication of that on their own AAdvantage website so we won't know until some AAdvantage members fly some in the coming months and see what happens. I have zero BA or IB on my itinerary so won't have any data points to contribute there but do have 2 x AA (DFW-SAL-DFW, so fairly short and no big loss if they credit as revenue).

Even with AA plated, it's a mixed bag on AA codes. A lot of people reported getting distance credit, while I can only find a few that said they got pro-rated revenue.

I did find one of the itineraries the OP had put in the flame free thread, I can tweak that quite a bit to minimize damage from AA, BA, and IB codes if credited to AA, should have some time today or tomorrow to play around with it. Not sure though if I can get it to 125k LPs without prior AA status.

Mwenenzi Oct 11, 2023 9:26 pm


SYD-BCN - QR
SYD-IST - QR
For a *ONE* ticket you need to list all the separate flights- they count
SYD-DOH-BCN QR [could also do SYD-LHR QF/BA and LHR-BCN IB/BA]
SYD-DOH-IST QR
For the others you need to check the airline fly the route non stop (or with 1 flight number)

For *ONE* questions better ask in the dedicated OW *ONE* threads or a seperate new thread, Not this thread
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/oneworld-411/

guv1976 Oct 11, 2023 9:28 pm


Originally Posted by memanny (Post 35656725)
I am super newb to this.

Itinerary 1:
HND-HKG - JL
Hkg-SIN - CX
SIN-MEL - QF
MEL-SYD - QF
SYD-BCN - QR
BCN-HEL - AY
HEL-LHR - AY
LHR-DEN - BA
DEN-MIA - AA
MIA-GIG - AA
GIG-LAX - AA
LAX-HND - JL.

The is the shorter one, it does not include IST. Plan here is to take 3 months in DEN(home) before going to GIG.

Itinerary 2:
HND-HKG - JL
HKG-SIN - CX
SIN-MEL - QF
MEL-SYD - QF
SYD-IST - QR
-IST-lHR - BA
LHR-BCN - BA
BCN-HEL - AY
HEL-DFW - AY
DFW-GIG - AA
GIG-LAX - AA
LAX-HND - JL

This includes IST.

I would be interested how to maximize 4 segments on QR.

There is no oneworld carrier which flies GIG-LAX nonstop. So unless AA offers a GIG-LAX "direct" (through) flight, you will have to add a connecting segment. Ditto SYD-BCN and SYD-IST on QR.

To get four QR segments, you would have to transit DOH twice. (I don't know the oneworld Explorer ticket rules so I cannot say what the transit rules are.)

Very important that you list each segment (even if you're only connecting, rather than stopping over) so that we can assess status earning.

Edited to add:

At this site, you can get a good approximation of the distance of each flight segment:

http://www.gcmap.com/dist

dvs7310 Oct 11, 2023 9:33 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 35656753)
There is no oneworld carrier which flies GIG-LAX nonstop. So unless AA offers a GIG-LAX "direct" (through) flight, you will have to add a connecting segment. Ditto SYD-BCN and SYD-IST on QR.

To get four QR segments, you would have to transit DOH twice. (I don't know the oneworld Explorer ticket rules so I cannot say what the transit rules are.)

Very important that you list each segment (even if you're only connecting, rather than stopping over) so that we can assess status earning.

You can transit DOH more than twice. I have 4x DOH transits on my upcoming ticket DFW-DOH-NBO, EBB-DOH-CAI, CAI-DOH-DUB and DUB-DOH-MNL and had 3x on last years ticket (DFW-DOH-TBS, TBS-DOH-CDG, DUB-DOH-CGK).

memanny Oct 11, 2023 9:38 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 35656753)
There is no oneworld carrier which flies GIG-LAX nonstop. So unless AA offers a GIG-LAX "direct" (through) flight, you will have to add a connecting segment. Ditto SYD-BCN and SYD-IST on QR.

To get four QR segments, you would have to transit DOH twice. (I don't know the oneworld Explorer ticket rules so I cannot say what the transit rules are.)

Very important that you list each segment (even if you're only connecting, rather than stopping over) so that we can assess status earning.

Edited to add:

At this site, you can get a good approximation of the distance of each flight segment:

- Great Circle Mapper


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 35656750)
For a *ONE* ticket you need to list all the separate flights- they count
SYD-DOH-BCN QR [could also do SYD-LHR QF/BA and LHR-BCN IB/BA]
SYD-DOH-IST QR
For the others you need to check the airline fly the route non stop (or with 1 flight number)

For *ONE* questions better ask in the dedicated OW *ONE* threads or a seperate new thread, Not this thread
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/oneworld-411/


Sorry about that. Let me make the changes guys and respond.

memanny Oct 11, 2023 9:43 pm

Here is my itinerary now:

HND-HKG - JL
HKG-SIN - CX
SIN-MEL - QF
MEL-SYD - QF
SYD-DOH-BCN - QR
BCN-LHR - BA
LHR-HEL - AY
HEL-DFW - AY
DFW-EZE - AA
EZE-GIG - BA
GIG-MIA-LAX - AA
LAX-HND- JL

ignore the previous itneraries. Apart from IST (which i cannot include without keeping it to 4 European segments), i am getting to all my destinations.

memanny Oct 11, 2023 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 35656762)
You can transit DOH more than twice. I have 4x DOH transits on my upcoming ticket DFW-DOH-NBO, EBB-DOH-CAI, CAI-DOH-DUB and DUB-DOH-MNL and had 3x on last years ticket (DFW-DOH-TBS, TBS-DOH-CDG, DUB-DOH-CGK).

I never thought about that. So technically can my itinerary be

HND-HKG - JL
HKG-SIN - CX
SIN-MEL - QF
MEL-SYD - QF
SYD-DOH-BCN - QR
BCN-LHR - BA
LHR-HEL - AY
HEL-DOH-DFW - QR
DFW-EZE - AA
EZE-GIG - BA
GIG-MIA-LAX - AA
LAX-HND- JL

guv1976 Oct 11, 2023 10:05 pm


Originally Posted by memanny (Post 35656725)

Edit: I just found out BA is starting services between GIG and EZE. So I included that in my itinerary.

Well, that would give you an extra qualifying segment for BA elite status if that's what you decide to pursue. And between LHR and HEL, you could add a BA segment between LHR and MAN, CPH, etc., with AY for the short segment in or out of HEL.

Mwenenzi Oct 11, 2023 10:12 pm


Edit: I just found out BA is starting services between GIG and EZE. So I included that in my itinerary.

Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 35656818)
Well, that would give you an extra qualifying segment for BA elite status if that's what you decide to pursue. And between LHR and HEL, you could add a BA segment between LHR and MAN, CPH, etc., with AY for the short segment in or out of HEL.

However BA may or may not have the 5th freedom rights to sell GIG-EZE as a standalone flight. Will be selling LHR-GIG & LHR-EZE

Have asked moderators to split posts from 1726 into a new thread "DONE5 with DEN stopover". Getting way off topic into detailed *ONE* questions. We have many standalone threads on *ONE* itineraries.
[Calling pandaperth to the front desk ;)]


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