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paul4471 Sep 7, 2011 7:34 am

Route Check/Advice and Booking Tips
 
Hi Guys,

A while since I did a RTW. I am loooking to book a DONE5 originating in ACC.

Is the following allowable (mileage monkey says ok and I have no reason to doubt but worth a cross check):

ACC-xLHR-HKG-PER-BME-BNE-SYD-DFW-YVR-JFK-YYZ-MIA-LHR-HEL-LIS-LHR-ACC

Do I have to end in ACC or can I end somewhere else in Africa?

If I understand correctly I can call the AA desk to ticket it and then have it issued in Canada - is that right? Was there someone people were recommending - I seem to remember there being a thread with someone reliable and understanding doing it for a $50 or $100 fee.

As always thanks for help!!

paul4471 Sep 7, 2011 8:37 am

One more question. Can the first entry to LHR be a stopover or does it have to be a transit?

Gardyloo Sep 7, 2011 8:50 am


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 17068632)
Hi Guys,

A while since I did a RTW. I am loooking to book a DONE5 originating in ACC.

Is the following allowable (mileage monkey says ok and I have no reason to doubt but worth a cross check):

ACC-xLHR-HKG-PER-BME-BNE-SYD-DFW-YVR-JFK-YYZ-MIA-LHR-HEL-LIS-LHR-ACC

Do I have to end in ACC or can I end somewhere else in Africa?

If I understand correctly I can call the AA desk to ticket it and then have it issued in Canada - is that right? Was there someone people were recommending - I seem to remember there being a thread with someone reliable and understanding doing it for a $50 or $100 fee.

As always thanks for help!!


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 17068909)
One more question. Can the first entry to LHR be a stopover or does it have to be a transit?

Itinerary looks fine.

If you start in one of the cul-de-sac countries (Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda) and simply transit Europe at the beginning, you can end anywhere in Africa - JNB, CPT, NBO... following your European segments.

Yes, you can have it ticketed in Canada. There are several threads recounting how people accomplished this - from TAs who did it for a fee, also just by turning up at an AA counter (or BA presumably) in Canada (I recall YVR) and consummating the sale there. That's the key - where is the transaction completed. If your intent is to have AA issue it, presumably to avoid fuel surcharges, as opposed to just doing it using the online tool, I'd price it online as well as seeing what the AA RTW rates people come up with - you might find that the difference is negligible. Or not - it's somewhat mysterious these days.

The first pass through London has to be a transit to a third continent, as with your proposed route.

Edited to add: HEL-LIS? I can't seem to find that in the OW timetable, but maybe I'm missing it. I seem to remember that AY operates some charter-type flights that may or may not be eligible for use with xONE products. Double-check this.

SPBanker Sep 7, 2011 10:20 am


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 17068990)
Edited to add: HEL-LIS? I can't seem to find that in the OW timetable, but maybe I'm missing it. I seem to remember that AY operates some charter-type flights that may or may not be eligible for use with xONE products. Double-check this.

It is a seasonal route, this year from April 18 to October 29. And yes, it is one of those charter-type flights.

paul4471 Sep 7, 2011 7:09 pm

Thanks for the great advice and darn it on the HEL-LIS route I needed it for November. LIS was the only new country on the itin. Will have to rethink that segment.

I definitely like the option of ending anywhere i africa as it sets me perfectly for another DONEX next year originaitng JNB. So latest plan is :
ACC-xLHR-HKG-PER-MEL-BNE-SYD-DFW-YVR-JFK-YYZ-MIA-LHR-LIS-LHR-MAD-JNB

This is off topic and I can post somewhere else but does anyone know if the YYZ-MIA-LHR is considered a DI transfer or an II transfer for MCT in MIA, reason being is that the best option there has me on ground for 60mins in MIA which is OK for a DI but not II according to KVS. As you clear US immigration in YYZ I am hoping this make YYZ-MIA a "domestic" flight.

KVS Sep 7, 2011 7:39 pm


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 17072550)
This is off topic and I can post somewhere else but does anyone know if the YYZ-MIA-LHR is considered a DI transfer or an II transfer for MCT in MIA, reason being is that the best option there has me on ground for 60mins in MIA which is OK for a DI but not II according to KVS. As you clear US immigration in YYZ I am hoping this make YYZ-MIA a "domestic" flight.

It should be treated as Domestic for MCT purposes in MIA:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.5.1/Diamond - Amadeus Operational Info: AA 1409/01 Dec 2011]
Code:

AMERICAN AIRLINES - AA 1409

[Planned Flight Info]
YYZ-MIA        06:10/Thu - 09:45/Thu  03:35

[Flight Notes]
YYZ-MIA        MEMBER OF ONEWORLD
YYZ-MIA        DEPARTS TERMINAL 3
YYZ-MIA        MCT FLIGHT TRACKING I/D
YYZ-MIA        4/ AUDIO PROGRAMMING
YYZ-MIA        9/ NON-SMOKING
YYZ-MIA        10/ SHORT FEATURE VIDEO
YYZ-MIA        12/ IN-SEAT POWER SOURCE
YYZ-MIA        SECURED FLIGHT
YYZ-MIA        ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE


Gardyloo Sep 7, 2011 8:15 pm


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 17072550)
So latest plan is :
ACC-xLHR-HKG-PER-MEL-BNE-SYD-DFW-YVR-JFK-YYZ-MIA-LHR-LIS-LHR-MAD-JNB

I'm certainly no expert, but I presume you're stopping over at JFK, or else I think YVR-xJFK-YYZ would be cabotage and not allowed.

serfty Sep 9, 2011 8:35 pm

Q. Does Cabotage apply to a wide international booking containing countries other then just USA/Canada?

I may be wrong but I thought no.

paul4471 Sep 11, 2011 8:37 am

Urgent question - I just had the itinerary priced and it came back at $9136.00USD plus taxes but the fare I was expecting was $8100 (per the oneworld booking tool)

I told the RTW agent I wanted to have it ticketed in Canada - shouldn't it be the same price in Canada as if I was ticketing in Ghana?

Gardyloo Sep 11, 2011 11:08 am


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 17090412)
Urgent question - I just had the itinerary priced and it came back at $9136.00USD plus taxes but the fare I was expecting was $8100 (per the oneworld booking tool)

I told the RTW agent I wanted to have it ticketed in Canada - shouldn't it be the same price in Canada as if I was ticketing in Ghana?

Why don't you share your routing here. USD 8100 is the DONE5 fare ex-Ghana, so something's amiss. ($9100 is the DONE6 number, by the way.)

paul4471 Sep 11, 2011 7:45 pm

Hi Gardyloo,

Thanks for response.

My routing hasn't changed a lot from above but is now:

ACC-xLHR-HKG-PER-MEL-BNE-LAX-DFW-YVR-JFK-YYZ-MIA-LHR-MAD-LIS-LHR-JNB

I called the RTW desk guy back and he agreed the price seemed wrong he put a note in the system for pricing to correct it - hopefully they agree with him.

As a side note does anyone have a suggestion on an alternative for the YYZ-MIA-LHR (schedule change on YYZ-MIA has kyboshed what was a perfect MCT). It needs to be a Friday afternoon out of YYZ and connection to LHR using AA metal so I can utilise an EVIP :D. The LHR-MAD sector departs at 11:05 T3 on Saturday so it all needs to make that connection - of course max miles alway helpful :p.


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