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ByrdluvsAWACO Sep 24, 2011 4:49 am


Originally Posted by HIDDY (Post 17064447)
LH are welcome to buy TAP. I don't see the IAG interest in them being a serious one despite my earlier tongue in cheek comment.
All they can offer IAG is lot of routes to Brazil mainly used by the leisure market and nowt much else.

If LATAM definitely stays in OW, I just don't see how the EU will approve of IAG buying TP. It will give OW and insane amount of pricing power from the Iberian peninsula to S America. Combining AA, LATAM, IB and TP would be nearly monopolistic.

CXBA Sep 24, 2011 6:43 am


Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO (Post 17164344)
If LATAM definitely stays in OW, I just don't see how the EU will approve of IAG buying TP. It will give OW and insane amount of pricing power from the Iberian peninsula to S America. Combining AA, LATAM, IB and TP would be nearly monopolistic.

but if they are bought by LH this would increase their already unhealthy stranglehold they have in CE market, although I doubt the clowns running EU antitrust would give more than a cursory glance.

Ambraciot Oct 24, 2011 2:25 pm

Slightly adjusting the topic:

What does the provision of the Chilean government's approval that requires LAN and TAM to open their FF programs to other airlines mean for oneworld?

If smaller rivals participate in the program, would they be treated as oneworld affiliates?

Is this provision meaningful or can LATAM make up whatever participation requirements and conditions they want, effectively closing the program to outside airlines?

Sorry, I haven't seen a good explanation of the provision, since my Spanish is quite poor and my vague notion of what something says in Portuguese is based on its similarity to Spanish.

ByrdluvsAWACO Oct 25, 2011 4:04 am


Originally Posted by CXBA (Post 17164584)
but if they are bought by LH this would increase their already unhealthy stranglehold they have in CE market, although I doubt the clowns running EU antitrust would give more than a cursory glance.

Personally, would rather have IAG focus on the Italian market and make a bid for IG. Other than IB, OW is rather weak in the Mediterranean area. Also, I'm wondering if IAG can capture some LIS-Brazil O&D for less money than buying TP itself. Although, I do like the idea of OW stealing another member from Star.

ByrdluvsAWACO Oct 25, 2011 5:34 am


Originally Posted by Ambraciot (Post 17328449)
Slightly adjusting the topic:

What does the provision of the Chilean government's approval that requires LAN and TAM to open their FF programs to other airlines mean for oneworld?

It really doesn't mean that much, as there is little if any competition on the routes mentioned by the provision.

In theory, G3 could take advantage of it, but I suspect the Brazilian govt would have something to say about that. Based on stated routes like MVD-SCL, Pluna (PU) could make such a request.


Originally Posted by Ambraciot (Post 17328449)
If smaller rivals participate in the program, would they be treated as oneworld affiliates?

It would probably be in LA's interest to make them affiliates as they could provide feed to LANTAM/OW and vice-versa. However, I see nothing in the provision that says LA is under obligation to do so.

Participating in LANPass and being an affiliate are two different things. For instance, OpenSkies(EC) participates in BAEC, but is not a OW affiliate member.


Originally Posted by Ambraciot (Post 17328449)
Is this provision meaningful or can LATAM make up whatever participation requirements and conditions they want, effectively closing the program to outside airlines?

The provision does state that..

If ... an airline ... ask to participate in the Frequent Flyer Program of Latam, the latter shall extend for five years all those benefits. "

Based on that, I would imagine that LA has little ability to restrict participation of any airline that qualifies under the stated provision.

serfty Dec 14, 2011 11:13 pm

Now approved by Brazil
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16191762

Latin America's biggest airline LATAM is approved
...

The merger of two major Latin American airlines has been approved, creating the largest carrier in the region.

Brazil's anti-trust authorities said they approved the merger of the Brazilian airline TAM with Chile's LAN, first proposed in 2010.
...

31dany Dec 15, 2011 6:23 am


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 17629980)

This should be interesting...

NDFan Dec 15, 2011 6:34 am


Originally Posted by 31dany (Post 17630973)
This should be interesting...

Especially this bit:


Brazil's body also set some conditions, including a reduction in the number of flights between Sao Paulo and Santiago and that the two airlines join a single international body.
Expect some heavy lobbying from Oneworld and Star. Hopefully the fact that LAN has been part of Oneworld much longer than TAM has been part of Star, will swing them our way.

Happy Travels.

Paulchili Dec 15, 2011 10:07 am


Originally Posted by NDFan (Post 17631023)

Expect some heavy lobbying from Oneworld and Star. Hopefully the fact that LAN has been part of Oneworld much longer than TAM has been part of Star, will swing them our way.

Happy Travels.

It also stated that it has to be a different Alliance from Taca/Avianca (currently in *A). I can't see *A kicking out Taca in hopes of getting LATAM.
Odds are very much in favor of LATAM going to OW, IMO. ^

rajuabju Dec 15, 2011 3:38 pm


Originally Posted by Paulchili (Post 17632243)
It also stated that it has to be a different Alliance from Taca/Avianca (currently in *A). I can't see *A kicking out Taca in hopes of getting LATAM.
Odds are very much in favor of LATAM going to OW, IMO. ^

I could, *IF* those hopes are not just hopes, but very meaningful possibility.

LATAM would be more valuable than Taca/Avianca for either alliance.

I hope OW is able to get/keep them, it would be a HUGE blow to OW if LATAM left.

serfty Dec 15, 2011 9:42 pm


Originally Posted by NDFan (Post 17631023)
...
Expect some heavy lobbying from Oneworld and Star. Hopefully the fact that LAN has been part of Oneworld much longer than TAM has been part of Star, will swing them our way. ...


Originally Posted by Paulchili (Post 17632243)
...
Odds are very much in favor of LATAM going to OW, IMO. ^


Originally Posted by rajuabju (Post 17634556)
...
I hope OW is able to get/keep them, it would be a HUGE blow to OW if LATAM left.

See September posts after the Chilean decision from this thread (#26 and #28).

To summarise, LA & TAM now has three separate options:

A. Cancel the Merger or
B. Join oneworld
C. Join Skyteam

Either A or C are extremely unlikely.

31dany Dec 16, 2011 2:56 am


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 17636274)
See September posts after the Chilean decision from this thread (#26 and #28).

To summarise, LA & TAM now has three separate options:

A. Cancel the Merger or
B. Join oneworld
C. Join Skyteam

Either A or C are extremely unlikely.

Yup, my guess as well would be that JJ will go with OW, where LA has a much stronger position compared to them in *A. We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

FlyerTalker688786 Dec 17, 2011 3:30 am

Gol is on its way to skyteam.

TACA/Aviance will be in Star.

Latam is mostly likely to stay in oneworld.

But TAP would be in a tricky situation.

sdsearch Dec 17, 2011 10:16 pm


Originally Posted by chongcao (Post 17643413)
Gol is on its way to skyteam.

As is Aerolinas Argentinas (AR), which si the only other major airlne in Argentina besides LAN. (Both have subsidiaries for intra-Argentina flights.)

So I don't see how Argentna would allow both of them to be in the same alliance (unless Argentina doesn't care about such things the way their neighbor countries do).

Paulchili Dec 18, 2011 12:54 am


Originally Posted by sdsearch (Post 17647756)
As is Aerolinas Argentinas (AR), which si the only other major airlne in Argentina besides LAN. (Both have subsidiaries for intra-Argentina flights.)

Sky Team and AR deserve each other - I would NEVER fly AR again.


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