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horseguy Apr 8, 2011 9:44 pm

Gibraltar, the roach motel of the Oneworld alliance?
 
I've been planning a AONE4 for later this year, and I was thinking it would be nice to stop by Gibraltar. The on-line Oneworld booking tool let's me get there, but no matter what I try, it won't let me leave. Kind of like a roach motel (the roaches check in, but they never check out). WTH? If I say I'll do a surface segment to Malaga, everything is fine. Is there something special about Gibraltar when on RTW fares?

beardoc Apr 9, 2011 1:58 am

A quick look at ExpertFlyer shows BA491/AA6302 seems to fly from GIB to LHR daily. Is that what you're looking for?

moa999 Apr 9, 2011 4:34 am

BA definitely flies in and out.
Hopefully the new terminal is open by then.

horseguy Apr 9, 2011 10:50 am


Originally Posted by beardoc (Post 16187068)
A quick look at ExpertFlyer shows BA491/AA6302 seems to fly from GIB to LHR daily. Is that what you're looking for?

Yep, but the Oneworld RTW booking tool won't let that flight be booked. It is the darndest thing, and I've never had any trouble like this before (I've booked about half a dozen RTW's with the Oneworld tool, and probably played around with about 30 others). The strange thing is that the booking tool will let me select the flight <I>into</I> GIB.

brenc3 Apr 10, 2011 12:06 am

I think I heard the Eagles playing on my visit - "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave"

Majuki Apr 10, 2011 2:05 am


Originally Posted by moa999 (Post 16187377)
Hopefully the new terminal is open by then.

:D

Has any meaningful work been done on that since 2008? I thought construction had more or less stopped. I haven't been able to find any recent articles on the new terminal at all.

beardoc Apr 10, 2011 7:09 am


Originally Posted by horseguy (Post 16188677)
Yep, but the Oneworld RTW booking tool won't let that flight be booked. It is the darndest thing, and I've never had any trouble like this before (I've booked about half a dozen RTW's with the Oneworld tool, and probably played around with about 30 others). The strange thing is that the booking tool will let me select the flight <I>into</I> GIB.

I've just tried a dummy booking using the OW Tool, and LHR-GIB followed by GIB-LHR worked for me.

I'm just wondering whether it's that you're transiting back and forth via LHR a number of times in the same itinerary, and the OW Tool is balking at that? Not that this is definitely it - I'm just trying to think of reasons as to why I'm able to book it, but you're not.

DownUnderFlyer Apr 11, 2011 1:12 am


Originally Posted by horseguy (Post 16186557)
I've been planning a AONE4 for later this year, and I was thinking it would be nice to stop by Gibraltar. The on-line Oneworld booking tool let's me get there, but no matter what I try, it won't let me leave. Kind of like a roach motel (the roaches check in, but they never check out). WTH? If I say I'll do a surface segment to Malaga, everything is fine. Is there something special about Gibraltar when on RTW fares?

There might be other reasons for that which have nothing to to with Gibraltar in particular.

For example:

- you have maxed out the number of Euorpean flights.
- your AONE4 starts at LHR so you can't fly LHR-XXX-LHR (point of origin rule)

David-A Apr 16, 2011 8:58 am

Where are you trying to fly from GIB to (via LHR)? Short haul or long haul?

There are issues with BA.com at present (and some other booking sites), where it is refusing to allow some shorthaul connection consturcts despite the textual ticket rules saying they are perfectly combinable.

[E.g. GIB-LHR-ZHR would fail, but GIB-LHR-YYR, etc would be fine! Still investigating the error myself...]


Originally Posted by Majuki (Post 16191719)
:D

Has any meaningful work been done on that since 2008? I thought construction had more or less stopped. I haven't been able to find any recent articles on the new terminal at all.

Masses - I don't think they had really started in 2008, certainly not compared with where it is now.

Should certainly be open this year, NOT pre-summer as was hoped, hopefully during, possibly post.
[However the road under the end of the runway is a year away from being open (at best!)]

jerry a. laska Apr 16, 2011 11:42 am


Originally Posted by David-A (Post 16228704)
Where are you trying to fly from GIB to (via LHR)? Short haul or long haul?

There are issues with BA.com at present (and some other booking sites), where it is refusing to allow some shorthaul connection consturcts despite the textual ticket rules saying they are perfectly combinable.

[E.g. GIB-LHR-ZHR would fail, but GIB-LHR-YYR, etc would be fine! Still investigating the error myself...]



Masses - I don't think they had really started in 2008, certainly not compared with where it is now.

Should certainly be open this year, NOT pre-summer as was hoped, hopefully during, possibly post.
[However the road under the end of the runway is a year away from being open (at best!)]

Since you have to enter the flights individually in the OW planner LHR-GIB-LHR-ZRH, this is not the issue. I inputted JFK-LHR-GIB-LHR-ZRH-LHR-HKG and other long and short haul combinations without problem.

I have entered numerous combinations into the planner and have been unable to replicate horseguy's problem unless I am violating some other rule. I tend to agree with Downunderflyer that this is probably a rule problem unrelated to GIB. For example, I get a warning (and cannot book the flight)when I attempt to leave GIB if I start the rtw in LHR (as I am returning to my origin).

David-A Apr 16, 2011 1:10 pm


Originally Posted by jerry a. laska (Post 16229458)
Since you have to enter the flights individually in the OW planner LHR-GIB-LHR-ZRH, this is not the issue.

Firstly, I should say I'm not familiar with the oneworld RTW planner, but using this - I don't know if this what you are referring to:
http://oneworldrtw.innosked.com/Default.aspx

I can put in cities in the order NYC > GIB > HKG etc, and if finds the necessary sectors with connections in LHR, etc. I didn't need to do it flight by flight.

However, it also is quite happy with short haul connections, so it is equally not the problem I originally wondered if it was.

SQ421 Apr 16, 2011 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by brenc3 (Post 16191484)
I think I heard the Eagles playing on my visit - "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave"

LOL that was my first thought when I saw the thread :D


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