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Originally Posted by christep
(Post 16145974)
I believe there are several countries in the world where it is now a legal requirement that any advertised fares must be all inclusive. These include Australia, Singapore and (I believe from a quick Google) the EU.
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Law of Unintended Consequences
Originally Posted by christep
(Post 16145974)
I believe there are several countries in the world where it is now a legal requirement that any advertised fares must be all inclusive. These include Australia, Singapore and (I believe from a quick Google) the EU.
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The requirement to display full retail prices is a good one, but in the case of OW Fares you would hope common sense prevails and a guide to extra taxes would be enough. But then gov't authorities are not the most common sense organizations.
Also, I don't think it matters that OW headquarters are in US, if they want to trade in Aust, Sin or any other country that has these regulations, then they must abide. |
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 16146026)
It has been that way in Australia for years, since before OneWorld was even created. I do not see why it has become a problem now.
Originally Posted by Timba-Jet
(Post 16155600)
Also, I don't think it matters that OW headquarters are in US, if they want to trade in Aust, Sin or any other country that has these regulations, then they must abide.
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Originally Posted by danger
(Post 16161961)
Australia only introduced laws requiring all-inclusive pricing in the past 12 to 18 months.
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Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 16162602)
No, they introduced laws requiring comparative unit pricing around 18 months ago. The ACCC has required all inclusive pricing for years.
Specifically, it says: “All airlines carrying on a business in Australia must advertise airfares that include all applicable fees and taxes.” I would argue that as oneworld is not an airline in itself it would not fall under this provision. Additionally, American Airlines (specifically referred to in this release) carries out business in Australia but their aa.com website doesn't comply - because it's US-based. My point is, as above, if you're accessing a website originating in another country, for purchase of a good in another country (eg. purchasing a LONE5 ex-Hungary), it shouldn't be an issue for the Australian authorities. So change the drop-down menu for Australia and state "not available due to regulations blah blah blah" but leave the other countries in place. |
Inclusive Pricing was basically legislated as far back as the introduction of the Oz GST.
For many years companies, including airlines, perceived a workaround and advertised base prices with large Asterisks! e.g.: Sale! Sale!
Sydney $85* *Plus taxes, levies charges of approximately $115 So a year or three ago, the legislation was re-written to make it absolutely clear such advertising would be in contravention. So now such advertising has to be in the form: Sale! Sale!
Sydney $200* *Credit card payments incur a $10 fee Advertising has changed from the form: BMW
$21000* * Plus on road costs BMW
$23750 "Drive Away" - nothing more to pay |
I like many of the ways things are done in OZ. No tipping, reasonable/livable minimum wage, adding taxes (0.5% and 1% for 50K+/100K+) for recovery from natural disasters (QL flooding), etc. Very fair and fiscally responsible IMO.
I also think their efforts with regard to introducing laws requiring all-inclusive pricing are noble but fall short. They neglected to get rid of the pesky 1.5% fee for paying with credit card I find hotels charging. I mean really, probably 99% of hotel patrons patrons pay with credit cards, so why should the rate not include THAT fee? It defeats the purpose of their all-inclusive pricing initiative. They get a big :td: for this one IMO. [/rant off and thank you for your indulgence] |
Originally Posted by aaupgrade
(Post 16163234)
I also think their efforts with regard to introducing laws requiring all-inclusive pricing are noble but fall short. They neglected to get rid of the pesky 1.5% fee for paying with credit card I find hotels charging. I mean really, probably 99% of hotel patrons patrons pay with credit cards, so why should the rate not include THAT fee? It defeats the purpose of their all-inclusive pricing initiative. They get a big :td: for this one IMO. [/rant off and thank you for your indulgence]
Clearly it didn't work out the way they intended. |
Originally Posted by aaupgrade
(Post 16163234)
I like many of the ways things are done in OZ. No tipping, reasonable/livable minimum wage, adding taxes (0.5% and 1% for 50K+/100K+) for recovery from natural disasters (QL flooding), etc. Very fair and fiscally responsible IMO.
Originally Posted by aaupgrade
(Post 16163234)
They neglected to get rid of the pesky 1.5% fee for paying with credit card I find hotels charging. I mean really, probably 99% of hotel patrons patrons pay with credit cards, so why should the rate not include THAT fee? It defeats the purpose of their all-inclusive pricing initiative. They get a big :td: for this one IMO. [/rant off and thank you for your indulgence]
In Serfty's example, where an Airline might advertise Sale! Sale! Sydney $200* *Credit card payments incur a $10 fee The airline has to make available a means of payment which won't incur the 10$ fee. |
Credit Card Surcharge
Originally Posted by tauphi
(Post 16168345)
Actually that wasn't negligence, but deliberate action. The intention was to reduce credit card transaction costs overall by allowing merchants to impose surcharges and then compete on them.
Clearly it didn't work out the way they intended. |
Originally Posted by MiamiPrep
(Post 16169307)
In the US, most merchants' contracts with credit card companies forbid them from adding a surcharge for use of a credit card. The merchant may give a discount for cash, but not a surcharge for CC.
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Originally Posted by MiamiPrep
(Post 16169307)
In the US, most merchants' contracts with credit card companies forbid them from adding a surcharge for use of a credit card. The merchant may give a discount for cash, but not a surcharge for CC.
Dave |
Originally Posted by aaupgrade
(Post 16163234)
I also think their efforts with regard to introducing laws requiring all-inclusive pricing are noble but fall short. They neglected to get rid of the pesky 1.5% fee for paying with credit card I find hotels charging. I mean really, probably 99% of hotel patrons patrons pay with credit cards, so why should the rate not include THAT fee? It defeats the purpose of their all-inclusive pricing initiative. They get a big :td: for this one IMO. [/rant off and thank you for your indulgence]
You can avoid the fee, so why should those that choose to use another payment method subsidise those that want to use credit cards Dave |
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 16172560)
As long as there is another way to pay the bill it is deliberately legal. At IHG hotels, for example, the 1.5% fee is avoided on pre-pay rates .
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