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Originally Posted by BrewerSEA
(Post 15733728)
I agree. JFK-JNB or MIA-JNB would be nice, they're about the same distance wise, I don't know if/how the jetstream or other winds would affect these routes.
You do now also have the option of connecting in Madrid on IB to JNB (not CPT), instead of London on BA, though I don't know how the pricing/connections compare. |
Originally Posted by tenmoc
(Post 15735077)
My thinking is more on DONE or AONE for avoiding Europe all together. But it is good to know about the connection in MAD as well, thank you.
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I can't see BA or IB being very happy with a USA-JNB/CPT as that would enable xONEx without going through Europe (NAm-Africa-SEAsia/SWP)
Even less appealing to the existing members (except maybe QF and LA) would be any of EZE/SCL/GRU-JNB/CPT thus permitting a southern hemisphere DONE3. I think we will wait awhile for either. Other speculations welcomed. Fred |
Originally Posted by LatAmTraveler
(Post 15733456)
I'm hoping they will sort out the LAN - TAM merger and Mexicana will return, but for now, Latin America is not very well served by any alliances, with OW especially weak.
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Originally Posted by kiwiandrew
(Post 15736655)
Are you serious ? I am a die-hard *A fan , but I will still be the first to admit that OW absolutely dominates South America ( even without TAM ) , between AA , IB , 4 current LAN airlines with a fifth in the works I really don't see how you can say OW is especially weak in South America ? What would it take for you to consider them strong ?
Anyway, in the eventuality that * is able to gobble LATAM (and that is a direct will promanating from Cologne, from all places), it will cause more regulatory pains for the alliance right now (TAP has a neat lead for connections between Europe and South America and is both well feeded and aided by good ole LH), and in the future with the accession of TACA and COPA, rather than to OW. |
Originally Posted by wandering_fred
(Post 15735464)
I can't see BA or IB being very happy with a USA-JNB/CPT as that would enable xONEx without going through Europe (NAm-Africa-SEAsia/SWP)
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Originally Posted by wandering_fred
(Post 15735464)
I can't see BA or IB being very happy with a USA-JNB/CPT as that would enable xONEx without going through Europe (NAm-Africa-SEAsia/SWP)
Originally Posted by wandering_fred
(Post 15735464)
Even less appealing to the existing members (except maybe QF and LA) would be any of EZE/SCL/GRU-JNB/CPT thus permitting a southern hemisphere DONE3.
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Originally Posted by Lockz
(Post 15754217)
This is already possible through AA ORD-DEL, so more shouldn't make a difference IMO.
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Originally Posted by wijibintheair
(Post 15796261)
Not sure what you are getting at there - a USA (or for that fact North or South American) flight to Africa is not possible at the moment without connecting through Europe. Really not sure what the AA service ORD - DEL has to do with it?
*ONE*s including Africa but excluding Europe remain impossible due to the lack of any TATL flights to Africa on OW. |
Originally Posted by wijibintheair
(Post 15796261)
Not sure what you are getting at there - a USA (or for that fact North or South American) flight to Africa is not possible at the moment without connecting through Europe. Really not sure what the AA service ORD - DEL has to do with it?
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Originally Posted by SQPPS
(Post 15812196)
That's not true. DL, UA and SA all fly north america africa. You can also fly EK, EY and QR and connect thru mideast hubs...not to mention via CAI on MS.
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Originally Posted by BrewerSEA
(Post 15796952)
I think the point was that a *ONE3 is possible without transiting Europe by doing N. America - Asia (on AA's ORD-DEL flight) - SWP - N. America.
*ONE*s including Africa but excluding Europe remain impossible due to the lack of any TATL flights to Africa on OW. |
AA has GOL as a Partner in Brazil, which is also Partner of DL and AirFrance KLM, anyways OW redeemptions in S. America are not good, neither easy to find.
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Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO
(Post 15788971)
Well that's probably going to happen anyway. AA can't sit by for much longer while DL and *A capture the entire US-Africa market. BA/IB needs to realize that the world doesn't need to transit through Europe anymore.
Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO
(Post 15788971)
Well thats most likely going to happen when LAN receives their 787's. BA best get used to the changing alliance dynamics.
Originally Posted by wijibintheair
(Post 15819633)
That is not true - if you look at the One World rules, unless they have changed recently, ORD - DEL counts as 3 continents. It is not possible to go through any Southern Hemisphere continent as part of a *ONE3
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Originally Posted by JAXBA
(Post 15845789)
No, but you can still skip Europe. You'll be paying for it, but you can skip it, and do NA-Asia-NA crossing both Atlantic and Pacific and qualifying for a RTW but without touching EU. Actually, the way I read the rule on the ORD-DEL flight, I don't think it means you can't go to a S. hemisphere continent on your xONE3 - just that if you don't, you're still paying for a xONE3 as there's no such thing as a xONE2. I can get that clarified though. Nonstop transatlanticTravel on AA between DEL and ORD is permitted. For travel ex South America/South West Pacific- when this service is utilised a minimum of a 4 Continent Fare must be charged. For travel ex North America/Asia - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 3 continent fare must be charged. Seem like we are getting into semantics here - the whole point of the original post was that there is no way of getting from the Americas to Africa on One World without going through Europe in one direction or the other. That reality means that if you want to include any Southern Hemisphere continent (Africa, Australasia, South America) you have to take a minimum *ONE4 - regardless whether you actually touch down on 4 continents or not (although with Africa you have to touch 4 continents). |
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