Originally Posted by toyotaboy95 (Post 15478840)

It's the opposite way around. CA is majority shareholder in CX.

Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 15480831)

CX controls about 20% of CA and CA controls about 30% of CX, so I won't say that it's really that big a difference. Swire is still the largest shareholder of CX.

Originally Posted by kcaluwae (Post 15506390)

The position of OW in Europe is also very small compared to *A. ... Would be good if OW could get some fortification there.

Originally Posted by BrewerSEA (Post 15448097)

Intra-Africa sucks from a *OWE* standpoint as you are logistically only able to visit one country in Africa unless you choose South Africa, which then allows MN to Zimbabwe/Zambia/Namibia/Mauritius.

Not really sure what carriers OW would look at for expansion though :confused:

Kenya Airways (KQ) would be a good choice but they're Skyteam.
Ethiopian (ET) is another good option, but they're set to join *A.
Air Nigeria (VK) is okay, not as good as KQ and ET, but it's alliance free. It was started as Virgin Nigeria but Virgin Group now has a minority stake in it (49%). Still does't seem that likely a choice.
@:-)I was excited at first to see that Eagle Air (H7) connects many BA destinations but then I noticed that they mostly fly 19 seater Turbolets (and that's as big as they go) and they even fly a 4 seater Cessna 206! Don't see this happening then...

Air Zimbabwe (UM) seems the best choice as a relatively large airline connecting many BA destinations.

The reality? I don't think there are any airlines in Africa that are both large enough and unaffiliated with Skyteam or *A. Royal Air Maroc or Tunisair might be nice...but they are in "Europe and the Middle East," so aren't really useful when it comes to the issue of *OWE*

Originally Posted by imagineertobe (Post 15506406)

Have you not heard that AB is joining oneworld?

Originally Posted by derek2010 (Post 15510253)

but, due to this shareholder relationship among CA and CX, why CA still joins *A (LH sponsor) but not OW with CX?

Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO (Post 15514860)

Incompetence within OW. Just add CA to the long list of airlines that OW failed to recruit.

Originally Posted by chongcao (Post 15515456)

When CA first applied to join Star CX actually voted NO.

But CA chairman then the CAAC head made a very big noise in public which forced CX to rethink their position.

CA always wantted to join Star as the political tie with LH and UA, not to mention to many Chinese officials that Star is the Flag Carrier League.

Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO (Post 15517858)

That may be, but OW failed to lock up Hainan when they applied back in 2006. They said it was due to Hainans finances, but many know that CX protested.

Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO (Post 15523139)

There is no rule that limits nomination in China/east asia to CX alone. Of course CX will be consulted on such a nomination, they are not the sole authority on China membership.

Originally Posted by chongcao (Post 15523785)

oneworld Managing Partner John McCulloch in June had stated in one interview that only Cathay Pacific can nominee any future East Asian carriers whereas AA will be the sole sponsor for any new North American recruits, and Qantas being the only Pacific sponsors. John McCulloch also said that oneworld is not in talk with Hainan Airlines at all. He was trying to hint that if Hainan wants to join oneworld, talking to Cathay Pacific is the only way in.