Why do you use quotations so much? "unscrupulous" is a word and it was used properly. And you're back to your usual self of refuting everything I say without any facts to back up your own wild and aimless claims.

So, go ahead, buy your cheap e-certs and other coupons from eBay, blissfully aware and naive about where they actually come from. Just keep in mind that any reputable seller should be willing to mail you the actual paper coupon, not just emailing you the code, even if in practice all you need is the code. If they can't/won't mail you the hard copy, you better wonder why that is.

Glad to see you still love picking on me. I missed you. The forum has been too quiet for too long and I'm glad we've got you back because you are so helpful to the community and provide so much insight, FT was lacking tremendously while you were gone. I'm going to go do a happy dance now, for we are now blessed with your presence once again.

Maybe it has something to do with Dennis Kucinich.

:):):):):):)

Maybe its Dennis Kucinich who is selling the NWA Link for $4.95 to support his presidential campaign^

I've bought NWA e-certs on eBay a few times and have been able to use them every time. One time I had problem using one and contacted the seller about it. He was extremely fast in responding to my e-mail and helping me resolve the problem in no time.

I've never asked for or expected to receive the hard copy, because I only buy these e-certs at the very last possible moment and won't receive them in time to redeem for any ticket purchase. Because some NWA fares allow the use of e-certs and some don't, I won't know if I will need them until just hours before I book.

YMMV, I guess.

Yes, most of the time they work and when everything works as advertised, no one is any wiser. However, let's pretend that these e-certs were obtained by the seller in less than honest ways and later on down the line, the true owner of the e-cert attempts to use theirs and can't, and follows up with NW on why they can't... you can fill in the rest. Bad things can happen, that's why I say buyer beware, as always.

If anyone wants to discuss this in more detail, PM me. I think I've given enough of a reason why one should beware about buying airline certs on eBay or really any other Internet site, but feel free to contact me if you want to discuss it more.

Living in a fairy land must be too much fun to break away I guess. Another response that is NON-RESPONSIVE to my response.

Nevermind that the 2 posters before me also refuted the completely irresponsible & inaccurate statement that you made re: ebay. Of course, you didn't reply to them.

Once again, your unwillingness to admit/correct your untruthful/derogatory/unsupported statements, to apologize for smearing one of the world's most successful and helpful companies ever (and the 99.95% of honest sellers on said company) is consistent with the Kucinicization of the other .05% of America who supports such ridiculous accusations.

Perhaps the UFO gave you directions as well??

Despite the good reputation of eBay as a whole, when buying e-certs from eBay, the buyer is risking their status as well as their EQM and RDM and even credit card charge-backs if there is any question that arises later and an investigation proves the buyer used a cert that wasn't issued to them or one that they could prove was sold to them. Basically what SchmutzigMSP is saying that you are risking the above consequences when you use a cert that could leave a paper trail back through the seller to you. I don't know about anyone else, but it's not worth those risks to me!

No, what he said that bothered me (and what I responded to) was "There are a lot of unscrupulous people on eBay."

With respect to buying airline certs on eBay, there are a lot of unscrupulous people, and you've done nothing to prove otherwise other than make up hypothetical numbers to support your hypothetical claims.

Enjoy your happy Reganesque idyllic life. Let the free market reign! It will solve all problems magically! Who cares about health care for our kids, they'll figure it out themselves!

You're absolutely correct. Technically a lot of what goes on in CC is not allowed per the terms and conditions of many FF programs.

If something is declared non-transferable, it doesn't matter if you do it on eBay, in CC, or with your family members: it's not allowed per the terms of that item and you are of course taking a risk when you trade it. Of course the airlines can't close down CC as many of them don't even have access to it unless they have a person like NW scoop who can eventually access it. But that doesn't make it correct simply because they haven't closed it down.

It doesn't get any simpler than this: if you transfer something that's non-transferable, you've broken the terms of the item and the airline has the right to come after you. Whether they do or not isn't relevant since we're just debating theory. In practice, you'll probably be safe. But everyone should know the risks, that's all I'm saying.

Well, since most certs specifically prohibit the sale to others, I'd say that in that instance SchmutzigMSP is correct. Anyone selling something that could cause your status and miles to be taken away from you, not to mention the possible monetary loss of both the purchase price and the airline charge to your credit card, pretty well fits the description of unscrupulous.

At least with the WP Univ. links the seller is selling something that can be transfered (a URL). Of course if the buyer has already taken advantage of that link, then the buyer has been cheated out of the purchase price. So I guess you can say this seller is only slightly unscrupulous.

Nothing can be farther from the Truth! I had a problem and PayPal basically said the Burden is on the Buyer! And even when PP stepped in I was told that S&H back to the seller was at my cost! Afterall the seller sent me something other then what they described yet I was to foot the $10 in S&H, in the end the seller sent me a prepaid sticker which PP had nothing to do with.

Once the shipping date passed & I knew from others that teh seller wasnt telling the full Truth. PP said if I declined the Pkg I would still be on the hook for the cost as long as aSeller says they shipped the goods thats all PP cares about. PP said that the seller has 10 days after notifying them that it was shipped to actually ship it. Etc Etc

Trying to define what " a lot" means is really, really hard. All it takes is ONE person to make one think twice about eBay. I love eBay, however 3 years ago I bought a Pottery Barn Gift Card for $463 and well, it was a fake. I was out $463 and I learned a valuable lesson.

wow, how this thread has gotten a little out of hand and yet very funny.

Wrap-up: somebody actually bought TWO!! :shakeshead:

PS: PayPalProtection .. doesn't.
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I hope the buyer doesn't plan on using them both on one WP account!

Hey now, don't forget they make a great economical Xmas gift.

Maybe the purchaser had 2 folks he wanted to surprise?

Heck, he might come back and buy some more links to give to his other friends after he sees that the link works!

It's not quite the gift that keeps on giving all year round like the Jelly-O-the-Month club, but it's the next best thing that says 'I care' to your loved ones and co-workers.

Two side bonuses on this:
- no gift wrapping required for web links
AND
- gives you that 'I'm an tech-savvy, bargain-hunting, tree field forest hunting, astute Ebay shopper' feeling

What would this country be, without this great land of ours!