Having (likely) lost one ARJ and down to 35, can NWA (or their sidekick Kemesaba, I mean Mesaba) get new ones? I know they are not manufactured any more, but what about from other airlines. If I'm on an ARJ, I'm comfortable, I'm happy (except when taxiing...).
Is the BAC 146e a version of the AVRO? How different? Is there any other airline that has the same AVRO and same engines Mesaba uses?

Yes, NW could pick up one used ARJ from a European carrier (several of them are selling them off), but it's unlikely to happen. A scope caluse prevents NW from operating more than 36 69-seat aircraft, and I doubt NW would try to pick up just one used aircraft. The BAE 146s are older versions of the ARJ. The ARJs NW operates were meant to accomodate 85 passengers, but NW can't operate them with more than 69 otherwise they'd be mainline jets... that's why we find them so comfortable.

I have been on some similar aircraft with United Express operated by Air Wisconsin out of Chicago. Are they Avros? Have no idea of the engines too .



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I think that all 146's use the same engines and all Avro RJ70/85/100 use the same engines. ARJ and 146 use slightly different engines.

I heard that customer specific equipment like non-FAA galleys and avionics sometimes make it too much trouble to buy 1 used plane that's different from the rest of the fleet.

I like the ARJ. Sorry to see it get shot down by the economic upheavals after 9/11. Dornier is also a victim. Once the ARJ's get old, I can't think of what my next favorite will be - possibly the A319 or 757 reluctantly.

IIRC, the engines are Lycomings.

ARJs and Bae146s---

Real overhead compartments (except near the wings in 146s...don't know about the ARJ-85s 'cause my only flight in one was in First Class), and four engines. They are so much like mini-C-141s.

I already miss them.

Talked to a cheif pilot while at work over the last few days and there is no news form the investigation crew. When asked if the plane is a write-off, the answer I got was, that they're planning on making the necessary repairs.

BTW - THe avro does have Lycoming LF-507 engines (the 146 has LF502s).

Why does the Avro bother you in the taxi?

there are only 3 abnormal overhead bins in the XJ Avro. Over row 5 and 6 - you get small overheads because of the wing/center fuel tank.

Any more ???


AZJ

arj - sorry, not AVRO specific - it seems some airports the taxiing takes more time than the flight itself. DTW used to take forever (I've only been thru once since new terminal opened). And MSP, my usual connecting airport, is generally good, but lately the enforced bus rides and the seeming two mile trek from Terminal A to planes going anywhere reasonable is wearing on me.

All in all, I'd rather be in an AVRo than a Saab , DC9 or CRJ (my usual other choices)

I flew UA ORD-DTW last night... we taxied for almost an hour. The actual flight is about 40-50 minutes.

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Can't really help the taxi times at large airports. There is just a lot of space to cover in getting from the terminal to the rwys - depending on the opens they're using. This is also the price of the hub system... many flights leaving at once all to huury into the line at the end of the rwy. On landing in DTW it takes awhile because there isn't the need to cross the takeoff runways, as I explained in a previous thread. I even timed it with a captain that I thought taxied excessively slow and it only took us 8 min from touchdown to door opening at the gate.

As far as MSp goes... no need for the busses anymore. The walkways are all open, including the moving sidewalks. It's actually a nice walk - but if arriving at F14 and your connecting flight is out of A14 - it is a HAUL.


AZJ