Well I haven't been to Detroit or Michigan but I have always disagreed with people claiming seediness in Scandinavian cities ( and most other cities in Europe ).
All sorts of people live in cities, not only well-to-do people. So you'll see homeless people, beggars etc. in all bigger cities - and so what... In the center of Scandinavian cities, I wouldn't say that there are purely seedy areas - areas are very mixed. If you take the area behind the central station in Copenhagen - yes it is considered the 'red light district' but it is also very gentrified in parts. So you'll see all sorts of people there. And it is not dangerous to walk anywhere in the city centers in Scandinavian cities, period..... |
Originally Posted by helosc
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Well I haven't been to Detroit or Michigan but I have always disagreed with people claiming seediness in Scandinavian cities ( and most other cities in Europe ).
All sorts of people live in cities, not only well-to-do people. So you'll see homeless people, beggars etc. in all bigger cities - and so what... In the center of Scandinavian cities, I wouldn't say that there are purely seedy areas - areas are very mixed. If you take the area behind the central station in Copenhagen - yes it is considered the 'red light district' but it is also very gentrified in parts. So you'll see all sorts of people there. And it is not dangerous to walk anywhere in the city centers in Scandinavian cities, period..... When it comes to people around Oslo C, it seems to me that there was obviously a higher proportion of people under the influence of narcotics than I've seen when it comes to people around Grand Central or Penn Station in NYC unless we go back some decades. When it comes to central Stockholm, Sergeltorg is more notorious than Colombus Circle when it comes to drug dealers and obvious users of restricted narcotics. That is even when there is an open police presence. When it comes to Copenhagen, prostitution and drug use is to be found rather easily and close to the on-the-beaten tourist track. Do the Scandinavian capitals have the potential gun violence levels of some of the neighborhoods in the outer boroughs of NYC? No, but in NYC those are now mostly just in areas that are not so close to the high volume tourist traffic paths. Are the "worst" areas in and around the Scandinavian cities anywhere nearly as dangerous as dangerous neighborhoods in Detroit? No. I've been to the "most dangerous" neighborhoods in Scandinavia, and in them I felt that the likelihood of an adverse criminal incident impacting me there as a visitor was much lower than it was in some of the wealthier neighborhoods of Washington DC or NYC. I find it rather interesting when my Scandinavian friends and family "warn" me about "dangerous" neighborhoods in their area, as the risk level is entirely different and much lower than what is typical in large US cities and suburbs. |
The concept of 'dangerous areas' in Copenhagen is alien to me.
There is nowhere I would be worried to walk during the day or evening time (I don't roam the city in the middle of the night). And I don't mind diversity population-wise, so the presence of drug addicts, prostitutes, homeless etc. doesn't bother me. And as I mentioned in my earlier post, no area is 100 % full of these people. The Istedgade area behind the central station in Copenhagen has a fairly large population of smart, young people and young families. |
Originally Posted by liamvad
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Yes,certainly,it was dirty,and drab,urine stains on benches outside the station,I took the bus to the Carlsberg brewery stop,it looked like an old car park with overgrown weeds in it,I went back to the station area and was looking for a nice bar/pub,only found some Irish bar adjoining the station,it was ok but not perfect,at 66 I am too old for the Tivoli gardens,none of the rides appeal to me,plus it was SO expensive to get in!!!.All the streets seemed full of litter,and to be honest it all looked rather tired,I was glad to leave.Stockholm is so much better,Copenhagen is NOT a place I would go back to,sorry.
Yes Tivoli is Expensive and to be honest Denmark in general is expensive, no doubt about it but there are plenty of things to do, just walk down “Strøget” go to “Nyhavn” and I would also recommend a walk around channels around “Christiansborg”. But to be honest sometimes you need a little more time in a city to find the areas that you like. I frequently traveled to Stockholm a couple of years ago and the first time I was there I was disappointed. I walked down Drottninggatan at night wanting to get something to eat at night and found that here was almost no places to eat there. The next time I discovered that you needed to another area and that changed my perception of the city. |
Originally Posted by dreaming on a jet plane
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Yes, isn’t that funny? Maybe they just figure it’s best to rely on the English language serving as the common denominator, or maybe using another language is like putting on a mask acting as a shortcut to snap out of the everyday Danish gloom, enabling them to display their genuine hospitality in a manner swift enough to comply with the three to four day stays of Americans.
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I feel that some people's idea of "seedy" may be that they see activities they morally disapprove of (drug use, prostitution, signs of non-heterosexual behaviour, etc). Those problems are more in their own head than on the street. They may also see people who are not like them (in particular not as rich, well-dressed and socially conforming as them) and wish to dissociate from them, again that is a problem more in their own head.
Not to say that poverty, drug misuse, exploitive sex work, etc are not problems - but I'm discussing the mental attitude of an onlooker, not the effects of the problem. Some people expect to go only manicured places with clean buildings, the visible people acting being richer ones acting just like them, no signs of behaviour that they find uncomfortable, no poor people or similar - well, there is a place for them and it is Dubai, not Copenhagen. As noted above, Denmark is very safe, and also you see all there is, instead of the uncomfortable parts being hidden away. Overall, it is a far more equal and pleasant place, if people to see it all, than most of the glitzier parts of the world where if you step away from the facade, the rest is far worse for the local people than any part of Denmark. |
Yes, much of it is in the eye of the beholder. And of course cities by their dense nature offer a display different from the countryside.
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Originally Posted by flatlander
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I feel that some people's idea of "seedy" may be that they see activities they morally disapprove of (drug use, prostitution, signs of non-heterosexual behaviour, etc). Those problems are more in their own head than on the street. They may also see people who are not like them (in particular not as rich, well-dressed and socially conforming as them) and wish to dissociate from them, again that is a problem more in their own head.
Not to say that poverty, drug misuse, exploitive sex work, etc are not problems - but I'm discussing the mental attitude of an onlooker, not the effects of the problem. Some people expect to go only manicured places with clean buildings, the visible people acting being richer ones acting just like them, no signs of behaviour that they find uncomfortable, no poor people or similar - well, there is a place for them and it is Dubai, not Copenhagen. As noted above, Denmark is very safe, and also you see all there is, instead of the uncomfortable parts being hidden away. Overall, it is a far more equal and pleasant place, if people to see it all, than most of the glitzier parts of the world where if you step away from the facade, the rest is far worse for the local people than any part of Denmark. |
Of course! How else would there be any Wallander, Fortitude and Dicte?
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Originally Posted by dreaming on a jet plane
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Of course! How else would there be any Wallander, Fortitude and Dicte?
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You're right. I wrapped up season one at the end of last year and have forgotten to check Netflix, but I see now that season two has been added, so thank you!
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Anyone have any experience with the Generator Hostel Copenhagen (or have any other hostel recommendations)? I'm passing through for a night and am looking for a place to stay.
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Never stayed at a hostel in Copenhagen - the only two budget options I know and can recommend are the Wakeup hotels and the campsite at Charlottenlund (although the latter was quite some time ago, and did require, well, a tent...)
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No experience, sorry.
But I can see that the location is very good and central with easy access from/to the airport with the Metro. (And the area is not seedy.........). |
airbnb option
Originally Posted by MNSWEEps
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My family of 3 (me, wife and 11 yr old girl) would be flying LAX to CPH end of Mar. Reaching CPH on Mar 31. We are planning 3 nights in Copenhagen and checking out on April 3 and traveling to Sweden. Thanks in advance
Returning to the question, we had a good airbnb stay in 2012 near Tivoli and got a room with one queen bed and a single for our son. I checked and I am delighted to see the listing is still valid and the cost is $67 CAD - incl. breakfast! https://www.airbnb.ca/rooms/68577 If you are looking for value in central CPH, this is your best option. (IMO the Crowne Plaza is a dump popular with tour groups in a high traffic area. Just saying...........) |
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