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leftpinky Aug 20, 2011 1:54 am


Originally Posted by LongviewTX (Post 16955841)
Was this last leg on flights operated by Continental Express? I have always had issues with those - they are easy to redeem with Continental OnePass miles but US Air (and UA at least until recently) don't see them available because they are well not on Continental but on its affiliate. I knew this was the problem because on the route I was interested in (IAH - SHV) there are about 9 daily flights of which 2 are operated by CO itself and they were readily available for US/UA redemption while the rest were CO Express operated and (again at least until recently) you could easily book these with OnePass miles but not US Dividend Miles

No, they were on CO and United, but US Airways couldn't see them. And this was with 3-5 different agents who all said it is pretty common. I did notice that UA/CO flights in the next 1-2 months were available, just further out there were many issues.

belfordrocks Aug 20, 2011 2:01 am


Originally Posted by UA Fan (Post 16957770)
One not so widely known benefit with US is that you can earn status miles on non-Star partners. I was pleasantly surprised to find I hit silver after a few QR flights.

Many other airlines have this with other non-alliance partners, most notably AS with AA and DL.

Henry82 Aug 20, 2011 5:55 am


Originally Posted by belfordrocks (Post 16957054)
5) Award redemption on *A partners: Advantage to US, no Starnet blocking, looser routing rules and more generous award chart.

Looking on each FFP's award chart (Econ/Biz/First):
United (LINK):
U.S. to Europe = 30/50/67.5
U.S. to North Asia = 32.5/60/70

US Airways (LINK):
U.S. to Europe = 60/100/125
U.S. to North Asia = 60/90/120

Is UA one-way and US round-trip?

belfordrocks Aug 20, 2011 6:35 am

Yes, UA awards are one-way. There's no way you're heading to Europe in Business for 50K miles (with the exception of Flying Blue promo awards, but that's a different story ;))

drbobguy Aug 20, 2011 10:09 am

Also note US Airways has off-peak redemption rates. Jan 15 - Feb 28 you can go to Europe for 35k roundtrip, and if you're a cardholder I think that's reduced by 5k to 30k miles. Which is the cheapest mile deal there is to get to Europe that I'm aware of (the FB sales have way more YQ).

UA Fan Aug 20, 2011 10:59 am


Originally Posted by drbobguy (Post 16959449)
Also note US Airways has off-peak redemption rates. Jan 15 - Feb 28 you can go to Europe for 35k roundtrip, and if you're a cardholder I think that's reduced by 5k to 30k miles. Which is the cheapest mile deal there is to get to Europe that I'm aware of (the FB sales have way more YQ).

is this only on US metal?

honu Aug 20, 2011 11:33 am


Originally Posted by UA Fan (Post 16959676)
is this only on US metal?

Yes, of course. Also keep in mind that some discounted *A economy fares only qualify for 50% mileage credit on US, whereas you can still get 100% on UA/CO (I'm thinking about SA, LH, but there may be others). IIRC, this is a fairly recent change. Considering that UA/CO allow one-way awards and US does not, I'd say that lately the US advantage has diminished.

UA Fan Aug 20, 2011 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by belfordrocks (Post 16957892)
Many other airlines have this with other non-alliance partners, most notably AS with AA and DL.

Which ones, apart from AS? Any in Star? Since this thread was comparing US to UA, i thot it was to be noted. But I'm interested in hearing about other major airlines that do it.

pinniped Aug 20, 2011 3:26 pm

In 2011, I'd go UA. Their route map is far larger than US and even though they're alliance partners, things are always a little better on your "native" metal.

UA has low fees on awards, flexible one-ways, and E+. And when US craters (which I think it eventually will), there's a decent chance that regulators might allow AA to absorb it, not UA. So that could throw your stash in the direction of Oneworld, not *A.

Only "pros" for US are reduced award levels for CC holders and apparently less Starnet blocking.

Last week, four of us flew MCI-YVR (with connections), 2 on US roundtrip and 2 on UA/AA, one-way on each. The UA and AA segments all performed fine. Both US directions where canceled due to "aircraft availability". (No real weather issues anywhere.) And at the airports, the US people were disorganized and unhelpful. We weren't auto-confirmed on later flights the way UA and AA do. We couldn't even use a kiosk to rebook. We had to find humans to talk to, which was a challenge. Simple tickets, US metal, ticketed by US. It just seems that operationally-speaking, this is a dying company. I know it's just one experience but I've always felt like UA handled irrops in general better. Overall, it seems like a more robust company better able to adapt to day-to-day challenges of running an airline.

I know I would never want to fly US regularly, even with top-tier status. UA as a 1K was fantastic and UA as a lower elite is still not bad.

belfordrocks Aug 20, 2011 6:09 pm


Originally Posted by honu (Post 16959845)
Yes, of course. Also keep in mind that some discounted *A economy fares only qualify for 50% mileage credit on US, whereas you can still get 100% on UA/CO (I'm thinking about SA, LH, but there may be others). IIRC, this is a fairly recent change. Considering that UA/CO allow one-way awards and US does not, I'd say that lately the US advantage has diminished.

However, conversely more fares flown on US metal qualify for full mileage credit on partner programs than UA/CO. Take my favourite *A program Aegean for example, all US flights count as 100% mileage, but most discounted UA/CO fares only offer 50%.

UA do offer one-way awards, but no stopover on those.

pinniped Aug 20, 2011 6:50 pm


Originally Posted by belfordrocks (Post 16961507)
However, conversely more fares flown on US metal qualify for full mileage credit on partner programs than UA/CO. Take my favourite *A program Aegean for example, all US flights count as 100% mileage, but most discounted UA/CO fares only offer 50%.

UA do offer one-way awards, but no stopover on those.

But wouldn't that imply that the OP is considering setting up his primary *A account on Aegean? I mean, I don't disagree that it's a benefit, but it sounds more like a benefit to flying US metal vs. UA metal if your native program is Aegean.

(I know nothing about Aegean...feel free to correct me if I'm misunderstood this.)


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