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ChaseTheMiles Feb 23, 2009 11:49 am


Originally Posted by UNITED959 (Post 11307385)
So...I won! :)

Thanks for all the thoughts you shared, I collected them & integrated into my winning email! :D


Can you share your "winning email" for our reference too?

beachfan Feb 23, 2009 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 11287009)
It depends on the agreement they have with the airline. They could have a corporate FF number they put on all reservations and you never would see the miles.

I assume this would be the only practical way they could get the miles. Transfering involves $$.

UNITED959 Feb 23, 2009 7:50 pm


Originally Posted by ChaseTheMiles (Post 11307811)
Can you share your "winning email" for our reference too?

Well, let's do this: I don't want to post it in a place where Googs can pick it up. :)

But if anybody is reading this thread and is in need of the email, PM me and I'll share it. ;)

PhlyingRPh Feb 23, 2009 8:22 pm


Originally Posted by UNITED959 (Post 11310179)
Well, let's do this: I don't want to post it in a place where Googs can pick it up. :)

But if anybody is reading this thread and is in need of the email, PM me and I'll share it. ;)

Why don't you post it in Omni. Should be quite safe there @:-)

Fly2LAX Feb 23, 2009 11:51 pm

@ OP: Yhpm !

Congrats, every company that puts 12K miles over a satisfied and motivated business partner is insane and this mentality will certainly cause problems further down the road if you dont clear your position right away ^

Cheers,

benzguy80 Feb 24, 2009 4:27 am

here's my 2 cents worth: one needs to take this to the bottom line if possible

I'd put up with a lot from a really juicy account, including foregoing FF miles, provided the end result was worth it

money talks. get enough of it and you can replace most of the stuff you miss out on by accepting seemingly unreasonable customer requests. elite status is something else, of course. not sure I'd want to make a lot of MR's to compensate for client grabbing miles I'd flown on their behalf.

Fly2LAX Feb 24, 2009 6:49 am


Originally Posted by benzguy80 (Post 11311519)

money talks. get enough of it and you can replace most of the stuff you miss out on by accepting seemingly unreasonable customer requests. elite status is something else, of course. not sure I'd want to make a lot of MR's to compensate for client grabbing miles I'd flown on their behalf.

What does that have to do with anything :confused:

EQM are invisble miles that cant be redeemed for anything so even if the client takes the RDM, the EQM count towards your status.

Also as noted I would (if at all) surrender my base miles but thats about it. The elite bonus is my personal gain as I worked towards this benefit independent from this particular client.

TuxTraveller Feb 24, 2009 7:12 am


Originally Posted by Fly2LAX (Post 11311920)
What does that have to do with anything :confused:

EQM are invisble miles that cant be redeemed for anything so even if the client takes the RDM, the EQM count towards your status.

Also as noted I would (if at all) surrender my base miles but thats about it. The elite bonus is my personal gain as I worked towards this benefit independent from this particular client.

If the miles were charged to the Corporate account you would never get any EQMs!

Congrats to the OP for winning on this one. I definitely wouldn't have accepted the bean counting policy either!

benzguy80 Feb 24, 2009 12:17 pm


Originally Posted by TuxTraveller (Post 11312001)
If the miles were charged to the Corporate account you would never get any EQMs!

Congrats to the OP for winning on this one. I definitely wouldn't have accepted the bean counting policy either!

hi Fly2Lax - this was my point. if the miles are retained by requiring use of a corporate account for booking then the pax gets neither EQM's nor RDM's.

if it was just about RDM then that's a different matter and can be more easily factored into some kind of cost analysis

Your Mileage May Vary ... that's why I suggest trying to get to the bottom line. my EQM's are precious (Exec Plat obsession), my RDM's are negotiable. but that's just me.

UA Fan Feb 25, 2009 8:45 pm

Tell them it violates the rules of the FF programs as this could be considered "bartering".

DaleG Feb 25, 2009 10:52 pm


Originally Posted by itsme (Post 11293578)
It was the case the government employees traveling on tickets purchased by their employer could not use the miles they earned. (No way for others to use them, but that didn't matter, it was all about what was perceived to be proper and improper in government service.) That went out the window years ago, though, so government employees can earn miles/points and use them for their own personal purposes.

Was looking up the gov't rule and found an even better one:
Through savings earned by using frequent flyer miles and economical lodgings, employees can receive payments for up to 50 percent of the travel savings they earn for their agency.

http://www.opm.gov/perform/articles/112.asp

That's an incentive to give back miles to your employer!

stevenshev Feb 25, 2009 11:05 pm

Dumb question, especially in light of the outcome, but do you think they were actually planning to exercise control over your miles, or do you think it was a clause in the contract just for the sake of keeping the lawyers happy?

At a previous job the employment contract said all airline miles belonged to the company. No one was ever asked for them. Ever.

trekkie Feb 26, 2009 4:32 am


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 11287685)
If the client is a government agency and they are paying for your travel directly then you may be SOL. NZ govt rules that no personal mileage accrual for official travel.

what you are referring to is an arrangement between govt. agencies and the national carrier such as australian fed government and qantas for which i am aware is the arrangements but here, it is between a commercial organisation and probably a contractor. Co-incidentally, the government arrangement allows for pre-arranged upgrades and notations in pnrs.

I fully understand and support the op's stand of no disclosure. i would advise that a vert of the posts of the requester would be advisable as unless someone is kind enough to release a list of which user ids are corporate reps and who aren't, there is no way of knowing where the information is going to.

UA Fan Feb 26, 2009 6:19 am


Originally Posted by stevenshev (Post 11323893)

At a previous job the employment contract said all airline miles belonged to the company. No one was ever asked for them. Ever.

Huh and I thought that companies forcing employees to use corporate cards was sick.

BearX220 Feb 27, 2009 1:00 pm


Originally Posted by stevenshev (Post 11323893)
At a previous job the employment contract said all airline miles belonged to the company.

Hmm. I was offered a VP / marketing gig at a tech company once and in the course of negotiations, I put in writing, just as a formality, that I regarded miles & points earned while in the company's employ as mine. I stepped on a real land mine... the CEO became very emotional and defensive and started to raise her voice about how fair, very fair, they were to all their team members, their family, and how could I make an issue out of something as small as that... etc...

Canary in a coal mine, indeed. I didn't take the job. The guy who did lasted 60 days and fled, telling me later that the work culture was completely invasive, emotionalized and insane. The company collapsed. :p


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