Mexican Hat Dance????
 

What was the Mexican Hat Dance?

See this thread. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

And the very nice "Summary of MHD posts"

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum5/HTML/002005.html

2000-10-04 Bonus Q-Miles (It all started here.)
2000-10-05 Going to Mexico to get Cheap Mid-week Fares (The Buzz!)
2000-10-07 Heads up on Mexico! +Interesting competition article
2000-10-20 Mexicana christens "Mexican Hat Dance" manoeuvre
2000-10-20 Mexican Hat Dance with Blue Man Group (FlyerTalk Trip Reports)
2000-10-21 Hat Dance" trip report
2000-11-18 Mileage Run Time
2000-11-21 New fares for YYZ-YOW/YUL same day return
2000-11-21 MHD from YOW?
2000-11-29 Mexican Hat Dance Club
2000-12-01 The Mexican Hat Dance (Mileage Run)
2000-12-11 OFF TO MEX TODAY!
2000-12-11 Mexican Hat Dance - Part 2
2000-12-12 Air Canada Launches Daily Non-Stop Ottawa-San Jose Service
2000-12-14 Any comments on this?
2000-12-15 PTO and MHD
2000-12-15 MHD/Ultra - Expedited service...
2000-12-19 The gods frown on MEX Hat Dance
2000-12-19 The gods smile on GDL Hat Dance
2000-12-19 MHD spoken of on ROBtv's "The Bottom Line"
2000-12-20 Mexican Hat Dance - We're Famous!
2000-12-22 'Mexican Hat Dance' brings cheap flights, more points (In The News)
2000-12-23 Go through Canada and save on C (United)
2000-12-28 Need info on GDL airport in Mexico (General TravelTalk)
2001-01-06 YYC-LAX-MEX (FlyerTalk Trip Reports)
2001-01-08 AC reduces domestic fares!
2001-01-14 The 3rd Millenium's first MHD
2001-01-18 AC Launches A319 serivce YYC to SJC
2001-01-21 Mexican Hat Dance -- With a Little Touchy Feely (FlyerTalk Trip Reports)
2001-01-23 Booking with travel agents
2001-01-25 Hat Dancing 101
2001-01-30 June/July MHD suggestions??
2001-02-01 MHD goes corporate, saves day
2001-02-06 E Ticketing For The MHD'ers
2001-02-08 More Variants of the MHD to Come?
2001-02-12 What's the best MHD itinerary?
2001-02-18 Short Haul USA MHD?
2001-02-18 que pasa with the MHD
2001-02-23 change fees
2001-03-02 MHD Tomorrow!!!!! Help!
2001-03-04 MHD and Amex Travel
2001-03-04 Sleeper Seats on MHD Routes?
2001-03-08 MHD in semi-real time...
2001-01-28 Fares - Identifying on Computer, outside of ITN.
2001-03-26 MHD's ex-YVR
2001-03-27 Acheiving Status Thru MHD's Only
2001-03-27 Fisch's MHD Trip Report
2001-03-28 New Codeshare Routes With Mexicana
2001-03-28 planning an MHD and seeking advice from the experts
2001-04-09 Dancing Lessons
2001-04-09 Spousal MHD
2001-04-12 New *A schedule available for Palm users
2001-04-13 Bonus Q miles May 10 - July 10 (Again.)
2001-04-14 An MHD is born
2001-04-14 The MHD that almost wasn't
2001-04-16 MHD? Help out a novice...
2001-04-16 MHD Hotel Suggestions
2001-04-18 MHD YVR to YUL
2001-04-20 MHD (Extended) Aktau (SCO) - CUN and back
2001-04-21 Connecting in CUN...help!
2001-04-22 My May MHD.... anyone want to meet up for parts of it?
2001-04-25 MHD - forwarded to Fare Office?
2001-04-25 PTO 'no seats' vs. ITN availability
2001-04-26 MHD - Can one fly exclusively on AC or AC codeshared designated flights
2001-04-27 July 4/5 MHD out of YYZ? Anyone interested?
2000-04-29 Not really an MHD
2000-04-29 MHD: Elite system wide upgrades
2000-04-30 MHD bookings and travel agents
2000-05-01 New MX route for MHDs coming...
2000-05-05 Confirmation regarding upgrades for *G on MX
2001-05-06 Max Q Miles from MHD.
2001-05-08 Plain Jane MHD
2001-05-10 MHD On Long Weekend in May
2001-05-10 C Class instead of J -- Wrong Fare Code in PTO
2001-05-10 I grow up and become Elite"
2001-05-10 Canada AM and MHD
2001-05-12 MHD question for the experts
2001-05-13 Sidebar warning on MHD trips into CUN
2001-05-13 MHD - Mexicana - new routes to Cuba
2001-05-14 June MHD PTO problems--seek help

Thanks Ken! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

-Mark

WOW, this is doc as the FlyerTalk historian at his best. I'm very impressed with the very detailed answer - sure to help anyone interested in this unique promotion.

Again, WOW!

Kudos to Doc for (as always) knowing exactly where to look for it, and MEGA Kudos to Ken hAAmer for the EIGHTY or so hotlinks laid out in doc's referenced thread. I never knew UBB would support that many links? 8 (?) smilies per post is max, but 80 hotlinks work fine! Must have taken Ken literally half the day to collate that lot. Must surely be an all-time record for a single FT post? A terrific read - I am starting on it all over again. A great and truly memorable FT'er loophole. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 09-24-2002).]

Thanks to doc for his copy and paste skills.

Thanks to Ken Hamer for doing all the real work in compiling the index.
BTW, the MHD is dead. Gone. Kaput.

FewMiles..

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You're most welcome! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Thanks for the typically gracious and highly informative post! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Hadn't Albert asked, "What was the Mexican Hat Dance?" Did anyone perhaps think that he'd actually meant "is," had thought that it was still ongoing, and truly had planned to "dance"? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Kindly also please note, in case anyone missed it above

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And thanks to Eugene as well, for answering so promptly! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Have a great day everyone! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

-Mark

doc: Why not just let people click on your link to Ken's thread where they can see the whole list, complete with clickable links? That would have worked just fine. And if you want to add some comments, as ozstamps has, sure why not? But wholesale copy/paste of content that is only a link away (and a link that you yourself provided), what purpose does that have?

Funny, doc, when you quoted your own earlier post, you left out the 80 lines or so of copy-and-paste. Are you always as selective about being accurate in quoting things? If you want to point out that you did indeed write "Thanks Ken!", all you have to do is say it, as you must think I am blind. No need to quote your "whole" post from before, as I am surely apt to miss it the second time around too.

Thanks, you too! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

FewMiles..

To play the devil's advocate here a bit I guess, I can honestly say I never saw Ken hAAmer's link in the thread that Eugene referenced above. And bear in mind that link goes (curiously) to a thread I started - so I would normally have clicked on it at that time. Ken's link to the 80 hotlinks is WAY down a pretty intense thread, and was not as obvious as if Eugene had for instance indexed Ken's actual thread, and not mine. It was indeed the perfect answer to this thread question. Had Eugene done that, I imagine doc would not have taken the trouble with his post? Or if he had - he then WOULD have just been duplicating info.

However, doc pasting the topics as he did (and offering the hot link as well) made it clear it was a thread worth reading. (To me anyway!) And Randy seemed to think it was pretty neat as well listed like that. It was enjoyable spending time clicking on many of the links, and again I have to thank doc for pasting it here. And Ken once again for collating it so well.

I know clickable links do save bandwidth, but SEEING a long list like that for the first time catches the attention. Well it did me anyway. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif


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The links and threads make me sad http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif I enjoyed the MHD and all it represented... now it is gone (sigh!).

ozstamps, a credible poster saying "this link goes to the comprehensive list of MHD threads http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif" works quite well too, does it not? Incessant copy-and-pasting of other people's content on the other hand doesn't rate too highly to me... I don't know about you...

Sure, doc's wholesale copying of the list of topics gets you curious, but wouldn't you have clicked on the link he provided anyway? After all, you did click on the link in Eugene's post and all he put for commentary was a smiley. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

FewMiles..

Nope. Sorry, and I am not trying to be contrary, but just answer you Few Miles. I think Eugene did NOT say above as you seem to state: "this link goes to the comprehensive list of MHD threads" - had he done so I'd agree with you. He simply said
"See this thread" as a sole response to a new poster asking 'what was the MHD'. For all I knew it was a single thread he referenced. I did not even look first time, as doc's post caught MY eye. And Randy's eye.

I did not imply for one second I hope that Eugene was not credible - he certainly is. I just wondered why if he knew the answer was buried somewhere deep inside a 3 page thread having nothing to do with MHD, he did not link to the actual thread that explained MHD and be done with it. No idea if Albert waded thru the reams of other extraneous stuff to find it, but I sure did not at first. Life is far too short. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Doc did, also found in archives the correct link, and also pasted it for all to see, and again, I thank him for it. Why ANYONE can be the least bit citical of that (3 times!) quite mystifies me. I bet Albert got his answer from doc's post and no other. And reading all this is possibly wondering what kind of pedantic, petty nut house he wandered into. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif


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ozstamps, I don't think you're being contrary. I see now that you misinterpreted what I meant. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I did not say or mean to say anything about Eugene not being credible. Rather, I was commenting that doc could have put in a plug/opinion/comment/whatever for the thread he linked rather than just copy and pasting stuff in. That's what doc could have done and it would have been no less effective in conveying that the linked thread is a goldmine of information. doc knows how to express his opinion, I'm just curious why he never does when it comes to regular discussions on FT.

FewMiles..

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Unlike others, doc is so darn imperfect!

Doc could have done this! Doc could have done that! Doc shouyld have... WOW! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

If only we were all so very perfect, like you!

Shame on him! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

I say "ban him!"

Ban doc!

Ban doc!

Ban doc!

Ban doc!

Whatever credibility, if you ever had any is surely lost, in my view! How very sad! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Am I alone in thinking that this kind of absurd posting behavior is slowly killing FlyerTalk?

-Mark

(was typing a reply, but decided not to waste my time any more) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

FewMiles..

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Have you perhaps had a quick change of heart? It surely seems that a reversal, of some kind, regarding this decision has seemingly taken place, no ? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Or perhaps you just meant to indicate that it applied only to this thread! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Or perhaps just on this one day! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000077-2.html

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Incidentally, did I ever specifically say that it was working for me?

No, I do not believe so. Yet, as you well know, while I do not initiate attacks, I've been know to respond to such on occassion!

Frankly, I did not intend to respond any further here, initially. Yet, in retrospect, it is perhaps best for all readers, if they should be intersted, to see a few of your past posts, in order to put the matter in perspective!

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You, for whatever reason, perhaps by fiat, apparently deem that setting the "standards" for others, and also judging them, is your duty here on FT?

May I politely ask if you see yourself as also living up to them?

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Who posted this?


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"...If you were truly a respected member of this community, you would need not say a word nor lift a finger to defend your reputation..."
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum50/HTML/012993.html

Yes, indeed, FewMiles!

Once again, seems this would apply only to others, not to you?

Considering the premium that some FT'ers, exemplified by you, appear to place upon the composers/compliers of a list(s), who do all the "work", rather than the seemingly "valueless" person(s) who would only identify a particular location(s) of such, please note that I'd undertaken the task of collecting some of the many other highly objective, constructive comments recently contributed by "FewMiles":

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum71/HTML/010443.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum71/HTML/009749.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum71/HTML/007769.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum72/HTML/000607.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001797.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001884.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/002000.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/002002.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004382.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000342.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000338.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000336.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000040.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000058.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000069.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000020.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005544.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005719.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005722.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005753.html

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Once, again, FWIW, isn't how and why I use my time here, or anywhere for that matter, my business?

Again, while your interest in my welfare is very much appreciated, as you might imagine, until I see that I've nothing better to do than make smartass posts about others, I'm pretty confident that I'll be just fine - relatively speaking!

Whenever you are finally ready to "bury the hatchet", simply let me know - and it's done! My hatchet is buried! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

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Have a great weekend all! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

-Mark

Funny how you have not yet diagnosed me with some sort of psychiatric afflication as you are so apt to do to others. I feel left out. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

Yes, you have made your point many times: you'll do as you d*mn well please, you don't give a **** (insert noun of your choice; please make it family-friendly) what others think.

By the way, I did look in a mirror and I just see myself smiling at the thought of how absurd this other person must be to spend his time replying to the likes of me if he is so self-assured in his ways. After all for you, criticism is just water rolling off the duck's back.

At least I have no doubts that the list of links you posted here is your own work. Good job!

Although... I'm sure you've posted it before, so why not just post a link to it? Oh don't answer that...

I love Fridays... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Silly me. I cicked on this thread half imagining it to be discsssing the Mexcian Hat Dance. I was half right. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

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And that makes you half wrong as well? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

FewMiles..

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Again, does anyone notice that there seemingly are some folks that are always searching for a good "fight?"

Alas, in a perfect world, we would surely need not put up with reading each others posts and everyone would do just as you like! We would all be perfect, just as you are!

But, FWIW, in case you didn't know, this is a somewhat less than perfect "FlyerTalk!"

Incidentally, you may again wish to review the FT TOS as well!

Perhaps we can all simply skip the scathing posts regarding "posters" and instead stick with the proper topics of miles, points and travel, okay?

Have a great weekend all! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Yous don't seem to be dancing well together here!

That's because they both want to lead. Although I guess a Mexican hat dance doesn't need strict ballroom techniques anyway. Let's talk Argentine tango instead.

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Actually, FWIW, I believe that an objective reread of the thread will clearly show that I truly do not wish to lead, nor do I even want to dance! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

In fact, as I'd posted in an attendant TalkBoard thread earlier today:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000077-2.html

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Is there any doubt whatsoever where this thread began to sour? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Be well everyone! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

-Mark

I believe there are eight or nine of us who had done the dirty dance several times while it existed. We each have a certificate and souvenir Mexican hat to attest to our acumen with airline tarrifs, and ability to confound Immigration and Customs agents who couldn't understand why anyone would travel 5K out of their way, through three or four airports, all within 24-hours. Or those MX flight crews who after saying "adios" to us at CUN, only a few minutes later were saying "buenos dias" to us as we reboarded and settled into the very same J class seat we had just spent a few hours in. In all this, I believe only two MHD runners were actually pulled over for a secondary immigration interrogation.

Credit for discovering the MHD goes to Ken Haamer and Blonde Bomber, who found a way to fly transcon Canada in the front cabin on a fully flexible ticket, for slightly more than an H-class restricted economy fare ticket: C$1200, or $US800. Base mileage accumulation was about 12K, but many of us completed our trips when AC had a status mile bonus going, yielding another 4K [about a third of the travel mileage was not eligible for the bonus as it was on MX not AC].

I think this winter we should have a Mexican reunion for all MHD runners in either Cancun, Puerto Villarta, or Mexico City itself.

I want to dance too! Although, I'll be likely just tapping my toes back in coach. All this does still sound like fun though http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Winter, hey why wait THAT long. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Hmmmm, Joh and I will be in Puerto Vallata in about 2 weeks. And GDL and MEX both ways. Feels like a MHD to me too. (But on a $56+tax ticket round trip in Biz, so even better!) Why don't you and Ken and blondebomber jiggle those rate codes ONE MORE TIME and ................. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif



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I never had the opp to do a hat dance, but a friend did many...

...I feel better about the world knowing that there was such a thing as the hat dance...

to think, perchance to dream
The Anvil.

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Should've bought one of those "cheapie" tickets, Glen! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I'm game... perhaps admission should be our little sombrero http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif



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If you want to experience good customer service from an airline forget Air Canada and try CanJet or WestJet

Shareholder I'm game if the dates are right! It should be either CUN or PVR !

Personally I think we all need to stop for at least 1 drink in the Frequenta lounge in the MEX airport. I know I spent many a morning there waiting for the next leg of my journey.

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If you want to experience good customer service from an airline forget Air Canada and try CanJet or WestJet

I had a long phone call from a FT'ers based in Canada yesterday who is an AC Super Elite.

I mentioned MHD and he had no idea what I was talking about.

When looking for a thread to reference for him this one came up first.

So hopefully he will get a picture of what this neat deal was all about.

However as all Ken's carefully HTML'd links do not work anymore, all being on the old FT numbers, nor the link from doc here to the thread that contained them, that FT'er will need to select one or more of these on search and go do some more reading. :D


2000-10-04 Bonus Q-Miles (It all started here.)
2000-10-05 Going to Mexico to get Cheap Mid-week Fares (The Buzz!)
2000-10-07 Heads up on Mexico! +Interesting competition article
2000-10-20 Mexicana christens "Mexican Hat Dance" manoeuvre
2000-10-20 Mexican Hat Dance with Blue Man Group (FlyerTalk Trip Reports)
2000-10-21 Hat Dance" trip report
2000-11-18 Mileage Run Time
2000-11-21 New fares for YYZ-YOW/YUL same day return
2000-11-21 MHD from YOW?
2000-11-29 Mexican Hat Dance Club
2000-12-01 The Mexican Hat Dance (Mileage Run)
2000-12-11 OFF TO MEX TODAY!
2000-12-11 Mexican Hat Dance - Part 2
2000-12-12 Air Canada Launches Daily Non-Stop Ottawa-San Jose Service
2000-12-14 Any comments on this?
2000-12-15 PTO and MHD
2000-12-15 MHD/Ultra - Expedited service...
2000-12-19 The gods frown on MEX Hat Dance
2000-12-19 The gods smile on GDL Hat Dance
2000-12-19 MHD spoken of on ROBtv's "The Bottom Line"
2000-12-20 Mexican Hat Dance - We're Famous!
2000-12-22 'Mexican Hat Dance' brings cheap flights, more points (In The News)
2000-12-23 Go through Canada and save on C (United)
2000-12-28 Need info on GDL airport in Mexico (General TravelTalk)
2001-01-06 YYC-LAX-MEX (FlyerTalk Trip Reports)
2001-01-08 AC reduces domestic fares!
2001-01-14 The 3rd Millenium's first MHD
2001-01-18 AC Launches A319 serivce YYC to SJC
2001-01-21 Mexican Hat Dance -- With a Little Touchy Feely (FlyerTalk Trip Reports)
2001-01-23 Booking with travel agents
2001-01-25 Hat Dancing 101
2001-01-30 June/July MHD suggestions??
2001-02-01 MHD goes corporate, saves day
2001-02-06 E Ticketing For The MHD'ers
2001-02-08 More Variants of the MHD to Come?
2001-02-12 What's the best MHD itinerary?
2001-02-18 Short Haul USA MHD?
2001-02-18 que pasa with the MHD
2001-02-23 change fees
2001-03-02 MHD Tomorrow!!!!! Help!
2001-03-04 MHD and Amex Travel
2001-03-04 Sleeper Seats on MHD Routes?
2001-03-08 MHD in semi-real time...
2001-01-28 Fares - Identifying on Computer, outside of ITN.
2001-03-26 MHD's ex-YVR
2001-03-27 Acheiving Status Thru MHD's Only
2001-03-27 Fisch's MHD Trip Report
2001-03-28 New Codeshare Routes With Mexicana
2001-03-28 planning an MHD and seeking advice from the experts
2001-04-09 Dancing Lessons
2001-04-09 Spousal MHD
2001-04-12 New *A schedule available for Palm users
2001-04-13 Bonus Q miles May 10 - July 10 (Again.)
2001-04-14 An MHD is born
2001-04-14 The MHD that almost wasn't
2001-04-16 MHD? Help out a novice...
2001-04-16 MHD Hotel Suggestions
2001-04-18 MHD YVR to YUL
2001-04-20 MHD (Extended) Aktau (SCO) - CUN and back
2001-04-21 Connecting in CUN...help!
2001-04-22 My May MHD.... anyone want to meet up for parts of it?
2001-04-25 MHD - forwarded to Fare Office?
2001-04-25 PTO 'no seats' vs. ITN availability
2001-04-26 MHD - Can one fly exclusively on AC or AC codeshared designated flights
2001-04-27 July 4/5 MHD out of YYZ? Anyone interested?
2000-04-29 Not really an MHD
2000-04-29 MHD: Elite system wide upgrades
2000-04-30 MHD bookings and travel agents
2000-05-01 New MX route for MHDs coming...
2000-05-05 Confirmation regarding upgrades for *G on MX
2001-05-06 Max Q Miles from MHD.
2001-05-08 Plain Jane MHD
2001-05-10 MHD On Long Weekend in May
2001-05-10 C Class instead of J -- Wrong Fare Code in PTO
2001-05-10 I grow up and become Elite"
2001-05-10 Canada AM and MHD
2001-05-12 MHD question for the experts
2001-05-13 Sidebar warning on MHD trips into CUN
2001-05-13 MHD - Mexicana - new routes to Cuba
2001-05-14 June MHD PTO problems--seek help

Ah yes--the MHD, what a wonderful time in aviation history. I remember it fondly, including one trip I took with Ken where on Mexicana they even played our song when we boarded, what else but the "Mexican Hat Dance".

I also have one good and bad story where I was detained by immigration at LAX and subjected to a full body and luggage search in a private room due to my frequent trips to eastern Canada with 40 minute layovers in Puerto Vallarta :D

Have Mexican sombrero as a result of an MHD, will travel... :)

Were they looking for undeclared tequila? :cool: