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thegeneral Oct 23, 2006 10:27 pm

Get a cash back card and use the money to do some long international mileage runs. You'll get status quick enough.

MarkXS Oct 24, 2006 10:10 am


Originally Posted by corporate666
Well, I do fly enough - just that I often do it with different airlines. For example, I am flying to Finland next month, Germany in December, and starting in January I do my trade shows - 8 in the USA in CA, WA, TX, AZ, IL, FL, GA and OH. I live in MA so that's a fair amount of flying, although it may not come out to 25k miles unless I focused on getting it all with the same airline, and then often I'd be paying much higher ticket prices or flying sub-optimal routes just for the miles.

That's part of the problem - you're apparently thinking "same airline" when you should be thinking "same alliance". Pardon me if you already know this and I'm being Mr. Obvious, but are you familiar with the three major airline alliances: Star Alliance (referred to here as *A), Skyteam (ST), and oneworld (ow)? You don't have to fly the same airline - you just have to pick one alliance and then pick one - and ONLY ONE - airline program in that alliance.

*A: US carriers are United, and US Airways including the America West (HP) part of it. Other North American carrier: Air Canada. European carriers include (partial list): Lufthansa, bmi, Swiss, Austrian, LOT Polish, TAP Portugal, Spanair, Scandanavian, and affiliates. Also several Asian carriers (Thai, Singapore, Air New Zealand) and one each South American (Varig) and African (South African) carrier.

ST: US carriers are Continental, Delta, and Northwest. Foreign carriers include Air France, Alitalia, KLM, Czech, and Aeroflot. Also other North American carrier: Aeromexico. Asian carrier Korean.

ow: Only North American carrier is American, so perhaps less of a good choice if you have varied destinations or don't like O'Hare. But they do go pretty much everywhere. European carriers include Finnair (you're going to Finland), British Airways (cannot earn on American Airlines program when flying US-UK, but can earn on connections UK-Europe), Air Lingus (but leaving the program in early 2007), Iberia. South America: LAN. Asia/Pacific: Qantas, Cathay Pacific.

If you're flying to all the destinations you're mentioning, I can't believe you can't get at least first-level elite status (25,000 miles flown) level if you book all your travel into one alliance.

For example, choose *A and join ONE program - let's say United. UA has pretty good choices out of Logan. Probably can get to where you're going in CA nonstop or one easy connection. The old America West part of US has a hub in PHX so nonstop from Boston to there. Lufthansa has good service to Germany from Boston and a lot of connections from Frankfurt and some from Munich to other European cities, so that should make Finland not too bad. Illinois - UA's biggest hub is Chicago so you're set there. FL, GA, TX, OH on UA you're connecting probably in Washington Dulles but some of those might be easier on US. Credit all of those trips to your United Mileage Plus account - do NOT use a US account for US, do not use a Lufthansa account for LH, etc. You would definitely hit Premier (2P - *A Silver) and likely hit Premier Executive (1P - United mid-level and *A Gold top-level) easily. But if you spread the mileage around different programs, you wouldn't get elite at all.

Skyteam would also be a good choice, and given you have Georgia on the agenda I'd probably say join Delta's program. But fly Delta, Continental, and Northwest, whichever is cheaper/more convenient for your domestic trips. DL has a fair amount of service to non-hubs out of BOS since Boston is a "focus city" for them. To Europe, NW/KLM have flights to Amsterdam with loads of KLM connections elsewhere in Europe. Alitalia has Milan flights with MXP connections. Continental has a fair amount of destinations out of Newark one short flight away from BOS. Again, credit all of these to just one program - probably Delta.

Or oneworld - ow could be good despite my "don't like AA" comments. You can get to the coast nonstop on AA from BOS, I think still. Also European connections via LHR using BA onward (remember don't use BA to fly transatlantic if accumulating miles in AAdvantage). Combine AA to LHR onto Finnair to Finland. Of course a big downside of oneworld is so many connections through connection-and-carryon-unfriendly Heathrow. AA gets you to Dallas and Chicago nonstop and via 1-stop elsewhere in the States. In this scenario credit everything to American.

I'd recommend either Skyteam or *A over oneworld based on these factors: multiple US-based carrier choices rather than just one, and multiple European hubs that have major connections. Also ST and *A don't have the restricton against earning transatlantic in a USA-based program from an European-based carrier that makes BA US-UK worthless to AA members (and conversely, AA US-UK worthless to BA members).

If you think that you could hit 50,000 BIS (butt-in-seat) miles in one alliance, I'd then narrow it down to *A. 50,000 in United's program gets you mid-level elite on United like it 50k does on anybody else. But mid-level elite on United (or on most *A carrier programs) gets you top-level Alliance-elite, Star Alliance Gold. That gets you lounge access on international itineraries. 50K-level elite in the US-based Skyteam programs (CO, DL, or NW) only gets you lowest-level alliance-level Skyteam Elite instead of Skyteam Elite Plus. So no lounge access.

Focus on one alliance (or even on two if you think you can get 75,000 BIS miles in a year). Orbitz is great for finding itineraries in one alliance, including mixed-carrier-within-alliance flights - their Advanced search options under "Preferred airlines" has an option for "Preferred Alliance".

If you do think you could fly 75K miles per year but not 100K, I'd recommend mid-level in *A via UA and low-level in ST via DL, CO, or NW. 75K all in one alliance would still only be mid-level on UA (or the upper-mid on US). 75K on ST would get you top-level on DL/CO/NW but then you'd be nothing on anybody else. 50K *A gets you alliance top-level and international lounge on *A as well as the quite decent mid-level UA benefits, while the 25K in a ST carrier still gets you some elite benefits as to seating, check-in priority, some chance at upgrades, etc.

Your travel pattern sounds like 25k is a cakewalk, 50K is likely, and 75k is quite possible if you focus. Given the multiple airline choices within *A and ST, it should be easy to stay within your chosen alliance and still get good fares and routings.

bensyd Oct 24, 2006 9:25 pm


Originally Posted by MarkXS

I'd recommend either Skyteam or *A over oneworld based on these factors: multiple US-based carrier choices rather than just one, and multiple European hubs that have major connections. Also ST and *A don't have the restricton against earning transatlantic in a USA-based program from an European-based carrier that makes BA US-UK worthless to AA members (and conversely, AA US-UK worthless to BA members).

If you think that you could hit 50,000 BIS (butt-in-seat) miles in one alliance, I'd then narrow it down to *A. 50,000 in United's program gets you mid-level elite on United like it 50k does on anybody else. But mid-level elite on United (or on most *A carrier programs) gets you top-level Alliance-elite, Star Alliance Gold. That gets you lounge access on international itineraries. 50K-level elite in the US-based Skyteam programs (CO, DL, or NW) only gets you lowest-level alliance-level Skyteam Elite instead of Skyteam Elite Plus. So no lounge access.

Yes but 50,000 miles on most OW carriers will also get you mid-tier status, which will include lounge access to easily IMHO the best lounges of any alliance the weak link being the Admirals Clubs. And if you are not AAdvantage then you will get access to Admirals Clubs even if on wholly domestic itins, incl. free drinks.

Counsellor Oct 27, 2006 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by Geese Howard
Air France & KLM : 70,000miles/year for platinum. Ten years platinum, lifetime platinum. Enough said.

Unfortunately, I think it's ten consecutive years platinum to get lifetime platinum.

thegeneral Oct 27, 2006 12:59 pm

The airlines aren't going to let you buy status. It's something they give to people who fly with them. By letting you buy status, they'd be giving you priviledges that you could afford to pay for yourself. The whole concept of status is simply a way for them to force you to do whatever you can to only/mostly fly with them.

skchin Oct 27, 2006 1:16 pm

I heard on the news that the owner of Dallas Mavericks bought a life time pass to one of the airlines for $3,000,000 with top status.

sany2 Oct 27, 2006 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by skchin
I heard on the news that the owner of Dallas Mavericks bought a life time pass to one of the airlines for $3,000,000 with top status.

American had at one point a lifetime AAirpass, which I believe came with the perks of the top status.

alanh Oct 27, 2006 5:23 pm

US Airways is currently running a promotion where miles earned with certain retail partners earn status miles. FTD offers 20 miles/$1, so you could buy top level (Chairman Preferred) for $5000 of flowers.

sany2 Oct 27, 2006 5:57 pm


Originally Posted by alanh
US Airways is currently running a promotion where miles earned with certain retail partners earn status miles. FTD offers 20 miles/$1, so you could buy top level (Chairman Preferred) for $5000 of flowers.

Too bad its not a retailer you would regularly spend $5000 at... now if it was Sony or someone like that, it would be reasonable.

I suppose if you're
a florist though...

flyrad Oct 27, 2006 6:57 pm


Originally Posted by skchin
I heard on the news that the owner of Dallas Mavericks bought a life time pass to one of the airlines for $3,000,000 with top status.


Hmm... interesting. I know that Mark Cuban (the referenced Dallas Mavericks owner) has his own private jet, a Gulfstream Aerospace V. So, I'm not sure why he'd be slumming it with the rest of us.

popcorn6 Oct 29, 2006 12:38 pm

Buy Elite Status on other airlines?
 
Can you buy elite status on other airlines besides United?

I have heard that if you are already Platinum on AA, but are going to expire, you can maintain Plat status by paying $395 -$495 (depending on your mileage balance). This will give you one more year of status. And I believe you could keep doing this.

Is their something similar on other airlines?

popcorn6 Oct 29, 2006 1:43 pm

20 Points per Dollar Spent
 
You can buy gift certificates from Spa Certificates in increments of $75 each, that earn 20 points each. $5,000 would be about 50 spa/massage visits, at about $100 a pop each, If you and wife go to a spa 10 times a year, this would last about 2.5 years.

Good deal if you go for massages regularly.

Earning 100,000 points would earn you 4 free domestic flights, many upgrades and a few free flights next year. With 100% bonus match, if you fly 50,000 miles you'll get 50,000 more free miles. (2 more free domestics)

The value of 6 free flights is probably between $1,500 - $2,000.

Not to mention, you can get upgrades for a companion and can nominate one person to Silver Status.

writetorich Oct 31, 2006 8:05 pm

Why has FTD been deleted from US AIR WEBSITE!!!!!
 

Originally Posted by alanh
US Airways is currently running a promotion where miles earned with certain retail partners earn status miles. FTD offers 20 miles/$1, so you could buy top level (Chairman Preferred) for $5000 of flowers.


you can't get this offer from the USA airways shopping mail partners.

only from FTD website direct.

I am not concerned about FTD (actually US AIR) honoring the 20 miles per $ .


what I am concerned is that the 20 miles pwe dollar will be regular miles. not EQM's.

quite a difference!

writetorich Oct 31, 2006 8:07 pm

can transfer from starwood count???

what about transfers from Hilton???

these are partners???



Have any other carriers "matched" this promotion????

Kagehitokiri Oct 31, 2006 8:09 pm

only AA counts credit card/other transfers/etc toward status. there are ways of earning status points/miles other ways, but not having 100% count like AA.

well, technically spirit does too. but their program isnt really comparable to other programs.

cashback can not come anywhere near the maximum value of credit cards that give you points/milles.


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