The consensus is clear; it's ridiculous. How 'bout involving the Israeli's or the C.I.A.? Maybe the plane was shot down to increase support for the war?

There's so much real crazyness in the world right now-- why invent more?

Do not forget, the government is hiding any number of alien spacecraft at Roswell, the entire lunar landing program has been staged, there is no gold in Ft. Knox, they killed JFK, and they know where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. For them , masking the cause of a simple plane crash is child's play.

squeakr,

I'd like to start out by saying that I'm a Conservative Democrat that fully supports the Bush administration.
Of course I'm sure that there will be lots of conspiracy theories. America likes that stuff!
Since I'm a businessman, I could only imagine the havic another attack would have on our economy.
I do agree with some of the above posters that in no way could there be a cover up of any kind re: the crash of the AA plane.

Please relax. And next time you're in NYC, I'll buy you a drink! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Dan

wigstheone,

FYI, Hoffa is buried at HPN. I thought this was a known fact, especially since you live here.

Dan,

Thanks for the clarification. I have been trying to figure out why I always have an irresistable urge to kiss the tarmac every time I land.

I haven;t bashed anyone or their points of view so I'd appreciate not being lumped in with a bunch of cuckooheads...

and maybe the terrorism angle isn't the main point...suppose it was some kind of domestic sabotage..a disgruntled employee, someone with an axe to grind (kinda like the FBI has put out on the anthrax thing) - I think there would be SOME people in the administration who wouldn't want that to get around....and by the time we found out the truth it wouldn;t matter so much...
and I have NO idea what the black helicopters are....


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The plane was full of Dominicans. Anyone with half a brain - and whatever one may think of the terrorists, they're not that stupid - would have known it would be. Whatever one's objective, be it hurting the US at one end of the spectrum, unifying the US at the other, or anything in between, this was not the flight to pick.

It could still be sabotage, since AA uses the same type of aircraft on several routes from the US to Europe and the saboteur might have thought the plane would be en route to the UK. Or an accident. Let's hope the latter.

As for keeping the real reason quiet? No way. Far, far too many people involved.

(Choking on a glass of milk, barely able to contain laughter/amazement).

Ummmm....

Reality/ ethics-

Social security is not a problem.

The Estate tax repeal benefits middle class folks.

The country's economic security is fine- no need to trim the tax cut.

Just because the Senate voted 100-0 to federalize airport security doesn't mean it was an idea in the national interest- seems to me the lobbyists who convinced 51% of the house have a better idea.

There was a credible threat on Air Force One on 9/11.

Ensuring that every vote counts isn't really important in a democracy.

Energy conservation is bad national policy and merely a sign of personal virtue.

George W. Bush made his money through hard work, personal sacrfice, and savvy business moves.

Strom Thurmond's 28 year old son who is 2 years out of law school will serve the people of South Carolina admirably as the U.S. Attorney.

Get off your high horse, W-backers. Clinton was hardly a paragon of ethics, but let's get a freaking grip here... This administration is not exactly as pure as the driven snow. If anyone thinks so, they aren;t looking at reality.

People make fun of my governor, but at least I know who is behind his stupid decisions. Him, and him alone. I know and he knows to whom he is accountable- the voters - and noone else.

Jesse 2004.

As an outsider looking in....I think that if it was an attack (which I believe 100% it is not) it would be in the governments best interest to state it as such for aforementioned reasons.

As for a governments ability to coverup things....well....TWA 800 is good for a start....among others....here in Canada we have the National Secrets Act....there are things I have read 20 years ago as an intelligence officer that I can't talk about under penalty of jail.....and a military jail at that. The government...any government, can cover up almost anything they want to.

I don't think there is a reason for paranoia here however.

My heart goes out to the victims and the relatives.

Let's not forget that they closed the other 2 airports (NEVER been done before for a plane crash) and the bridges & tunnels for a few hours until the indications showed that it likely WASN'T terrorism (although I think most of us here could have told them that from the circumstances). Having taken all the sensible precautions (and a few that weren't) I can't fathom any rational reason for later relaxing the precautions other than the authorities concluded the crash was likely going to turn out to be an accident.

Not that it matters but...

Social security IS a problem. It needs to be eliminated, and NOW.



It does. it's not hard to amass a $2 Million estate. A lot of middle class families do amass this kind of estate, and it's wrong for teh government to take a majority of value over $2 Million.



Raising taxes will NOT help the economy in any way.



Agree with your point here. But this is our form of government. We have to find a way to make things work within it. Politicians in general are nothing more than whores in expensive suits.



I'm not in a position to know whether this one is true or not. Are you? In fact I tend to believe thsi one, as Bin Laden has expressed direct threats against Bush on several occasions.



I'm not sure what your point is with this one.



Again I'm not sure where you're heading with this one.



I don't believe anyone has ever claimed he did make his money this way. However there are no laws in this country against inheriting a fortune, as far as I know.



I am completely unqualified to argue on this point, unfortuantely. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif



True, anyone who has any real faith in ANY politician above the state level is incredibly naive.


I am a big fan of Jesse Ventura, despite the fact that I am not a resident of Minnesota. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Go Independents! Truth be known, I am a libertarian at heart. I vote Republican because I am a realist. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Blame Canada! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

What secret coverup was there of TWA 800? The NTSB already reported what happened, if I recall. It you want to read about a coverup, read the cover story of the November issue of The Atlantic Monthly. It describes how the NTSB determined the cause of the crash of EgyptAir 990 (co-pilot), but the Egyptian government is trying to cover it up.


We have the Freedom of Information Act. This type of information would definitely fit the bill.

Besides, as has been posted above, do you really think the government could influence the NTSB, AA and Airbus? And I still contend that there are too many conflicting interests for anyone to win out in a coverup attempt.


As far as the estate tax that was mentioned - not exactly on the topic, but - if a person in their 20s invests $2000 a year for 7 years ($14,000 total investment) in an IRA that earns a reasonable return, at retirement they will have over a million dollars in their account. A middle class family with two working parents can save a couple million dollars in IRAs in this manner. But, should they die before spending their savings - a 50% cut should go to the government? I don't think so, these people paid tax on the money when they earned it by working and when they made capital gains / dividends from investing. How many times should middle class (or any class) people be forced to pay taxes on the same money?

d

When did they move him from the Giants Stadium end zone?

well, before i could even begin to compose my reply to bosoxfan, srq guy stole my thunder http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif excellent points, all of which i am in agreement with.

and for the record, i am an indepedent conservative, not a partisan.