CozumelJen & raffy,
While what you saw you may have perceived as cavalier, I choose to see this as denial. Many people cannot take in horror like this immediately, so choose to focus on other things until they can.
As for the going out to dinner thing. I live in NYC about 1 1/2 miles from the WTC. Deli's and some restaurants were open last night(Wed). People were outside eating and conversing. Maybe they weren't laughing joyously, but they were trying to continue their lives in a 'normal' manner. I believe, as our elected officials have stated, that to return to the state of normalcy is the best revenge we as citizens can do. We cannot show fear, or the secondary part of this horrific attack would come to fruition.
The feeling here, is not fear, more a feeling of wanting & needing to help, but so far, our help as citizens is not needed at the moment. I suspect the feeling is more exasperated outside the city, where the only info people have, is the televised images of horror.
Stay calm, safe, and clearheaded. This is just the start of a long effort to recover from this mess.

sorry, dupe

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CozumelJen, good to hear from you. Was reading your posts on Tues. morning saying how you were watching the WTC from your window, then you seemed to dissapear. Glad you're ok.

I also agree. Tiger Tiger (the business) has been pretty much shut down for the past 2 days as Tiger & Tiger (the principals) tried to get in touch with loved ones in NYC and VA, and try to come to terms with all this. Our phones were pretty quiet, and all but 1 or 2 callers seemed embarassed and apologetic that they had to be bothering with business matters at a time like this. I find it hard to believe that even on the west coast here, you could find ANYONE with NO ties to family, friends or bussiness associates in lower Manhattan. We went to the post office and the bank on Tues., just to get away from the horrific images that were keeping me glued to my monitor, and ending up spending an hour talking with our local BofA branch manager about it. (BofA had floors 9-11 and 81 in 2 WTC).

But even if not touched on a personal level, how could anyone not realized that this was a day of mourning sparked by an act of war. Business-as-usual is not an appropriate reponse.

(sorry, mindless)

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Childhood of hatred, appears to be, yes.

Bogus Religion, NO, because if it is; Islam is as bogus religion as Christianity, as Judiasm, etc. etc.

There are members in EVERY religion who pick out/promote certain text/beliefs that are inconsistent with the whole message of that particular religion.

GREAT POINT!!

Ever seen a crowd in front of a camera??
It doesn't matter what it is for, some people will act like idiots. When your local TV station covers a fire where people have died, you'll see idiots jumping in and out of the camera, waving etc.

Chase, thank you for your well wishes on the other thread, it is truly appreciated and therefore, the following has been modified from its orginal.

I cannot agree with you on your final observation, although I do agree with your earlier sentiments. I just would like to point out that the destruction of those homes is a holdover of a law that the British had imposed and that since the Occupied Territoris have never had any form of self-government, they have been used in lieu of Israeli law, which I am sure more people would have found more objectionable. Moreover, it has been verified by many news organizations that in the P.A., extra-judicial killings are a way of life. So too, in many other Middle Eastern countries, like Iraq, where summary executions are commonplace.

Although the Israelis may bulldoze homes, they at least try to respect innocent human life, for they don't strap bombs onto their citizens to attack innocent civilians. And as for arresting members of the family just for the fact that they are relatives of those accused of terrorist activities, you have submitted no proof that their arrest was done for that mere reason, and not for some other reason like that they, too, could have been likewise deeply involved with terroristic activities.

After all, what can one expect from those who have been inculcated with venomous beliefs and statements made by parents that they are proud of the fact that their sons have killed innocent civilians?? And that Benoit answers your question -- Where do people learn such things -- Well from their parents and close relatives, and their faith, or a perversion thereof.

Islam does not have a monopoly on fanatics, witness the assasination of Prime Minister Rabin by an Orthodox Jew, who was acting on a religious edict by some rabbis similar to the "fatwas" issued by similar hate filled Imams.

Your statement that hatred and revenge will only breed hatred and revenge, would appear to condone the killing of innocents for the bulldozing of a family's home; I hope you did not mean that. I agree with you that to nuke Afghanistan and all its people, many who do not support the Taliban and are fleeing their restrictive rule, would be awful. However, if one were to adopt such reasoning noted above, one could analogize that those who advocate nukeing Afghanistan for the WTC and Pentagon terrorist actions, would be justified.

I prefer not to abide by such an eye for an eye credo, rather, I will condemn senseless violence by whomever shall commit it, regardless of the perpetrator.

The blame should be placed squarely on those who deserve it -- all those who condone and provide the support for the terroristic killing of innocent civilians.

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Racism was not the cause of this. Misguided politics, religious conflict...maybe, but not racism.

Here I go. Many Muslim-Americans who have been in the US for years are good Americans who have nothing to do with this. I must say however that over the last few years I have spoken with many, and I repeat many Egyptian cab drivers who go on about how they hate America, the women are prostitutes and that all the Jews and Christians should be killed.

I would guess that many of those of whom I speak are not actually citizens, but need to be watched carefully.

PA unapologetic about confiscating rally footage

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/0...ews.34955.html

FWIW I have not seen anything about this outside the Israeli press.

Yonatan

Thanx for the link Yonaton, but you really must see what is up at the other forums.

D2B


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