Advisory Board and Moderators!
 

Hello!

I might have slept in class in case the information I am about to request has already been made available and if so I apologize.

However, FT i changing way too much way too fast for me. Therefore I have two (2) simple questions that might help me in my efforts to reach my own carefully prepared opinion in this matter.

1) Who are Moderator1 and Moderator2? Are they FlyerTalkers and how have they become moderators?
2) Who are the members of the Advisory Board?

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Goldlust

The 3 Moderators are long time members of FT. Another 10+ will be added after some experience is gained.

There is currently no Talk Board. The post #'s you seen in that forum are from the historical and current group of ~10 long time FT'ers who aided in the testing and commenting of nFT. The continued posting in the Talk Board forum is follow-up and new minor issues.

The first Talk Board will be appointed (4) and elected (6) in the next weeks. They will have a one year renewable term.

Anyone can apply for these positions: TalkAssist, TalkModerator, TalkBoard.

Apply here -> http://www.flyertalk.com/talkteam.shtml

That being said, I assume this thread will be moved to a more appropriate forum.

Dorian

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[This message has been edited by Dorian (edited 07-22-2001).]

It would seem that too much is happening in the background void of public record. At least for my taste. If the moderators are long lasting FlyerTalkers can one then not at least have their handles published?

What an appropriate suggestion http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ideasmilie.gif ... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif ... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Again, I think the TalkBoard really needs to be elected.

I see that essxjay is moderating Community. I guess there was an option to moderate under your own handle or anon.

Many know my feelings about this from MoreMiles. I prefer to know who is moderating me...lets me take it more 'in context'.

Dorian

MoreMiles? What's that? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

FewMiles..

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

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Naturally, what Dorian says is correct! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

That's why I agree with him! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by doc (edited 07-22-2001).]

You know Doc....I'm not sure if what I wrote is entirely accurate...but close enuf!

Fewmiles...MoreMiles http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsdown.gif is the place I asked to have my username deleted from...thought you might have known that. ;-)

Dorian

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flyers'places - restaurant, bar & hotel tips - acquired by nFT
The Star Alliance RTW Price Chart - by Dorian
The Star Alliance Gold Comparison Chart - by Blondebomber


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[This message has been edited by Dorian (edited 07-22-2001).]

Transparency would be nice.

Let's not forget that handles are, themselves, anonymous.

The cloak of secrecy around moderators is not a good idea.

In response to Fewmiles' question:
http://www.moremiles.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

More Miles is a similar community to FlyerTalk--including many of the same contributors.

Do rhetorical questions need to be answered?

Dorian: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

FewMiles..

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I may have been away for a while but has something really drastic happened that we need moderators to limit our freedom of expression? Certainly, there have been some unpleasant instances in the past but they have been mostly been brought under control by the rest of the community. Is enforcement really a solution in the decent community of FlerTalkers?

Just went and looked at that MoreMiles board posted above by mauld. I see users Dorian and FewMiles are smirking about it above. They seemed to have stirred up the folks pretty good over there. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

For anyone who wants to read about how absurd it is for un-necessary "moderation" to take place and worse still, "moderation" by faceless moderators really known to all, go read this little recent expose thread called "Anonymous Posts By Moderators and Admin":
http://www.moremiles.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=43&t=000015]
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[This message has been edited by flyboy1 (edited 07-24-2001).]

Ahhhh, those were the days! Back when with mere touches to your keyboard you get send people into a tailspin... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Fewmiles had it good...he could go back and edit what he typed...I can't cause I asked to have all my data deleted from their board.

Dorian

This is all Greek to me. I don't understand the changes, nor the role moderators play, either here or on MoreMiles, or anywhere on the net. Must be a generational thing. Perhaps Essexjay can explain this to me over the weekend.

Spider

I will respond to your post later, when I have more time to do justice to your arguments.

Shareholder, relax - it is NOT just you. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Judging by some of the bizarre thread movements and lockdowns in this very forum in recent days, it seems even the 'moderators' don't fully understand why they are doing it either. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Weren't you a founder of FlyersPlaces.com along with Dorian and Rudi? Did that ever have or need 'moderators'?

The founders of Flyers'Places were, Catman, Shareholder, Rudi and myself.

FP did not need moderation...but really it was due to the low membership count and low traffic. I really feel that any bulletin board that gets as big as FT does need moderators.

Dorian



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The Global Lounge Project - open source airline lounge listings - managed by Dorian
flyers'places - restaurant, bar & hotel tips - acquired by nFT
The Star Alliance RTW Price Chart - by Dorian
The Star Alliance Gold Comparison Chart - by Blondebomber

So true! Why do we really need moderators for more than the rare movement of a thread, which is seriously out of place. I could write my on my views of moderation but the basic thing is: why do we need them all of a sudden, and why so drastic a change?

We do need Moderators...there is no doubt.

Last year things got so out of control on FT that many long time posters left.

Why did this happen? Here are some reason that I have thought about:

• FT grew very rapidly due to press coverage
• Randy & Co. are too busy with core business
• No dedicated FT employee or board
• FT is a community...therefore disruptable
• Some people are over-sensitive
• Virtual nature of the Internet

We need Moderators, not to necessarily moves posts around, but to be the firefighters for those times when needed.

Dorian

And of course also, Dorian, perhaps the MOST critical reason, IMHO, that we simply, absolutely refused to moderate ourselves! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Doc hit that one right on the nose!

Since a moderator has 2 logins, does this mean a moderator can have a dual personality? In other words, the moderator's personal login allows him/her to express his/her inidividual opinion and vent frustrations if any, and the public-service persona (aka: moderator) is used to take the moral high ground and the policing role.

At first I felt a bit insulted that we needed to be policed. On the other hand, I can see that the nameless and faceless "moderator" login allows some protection to the moderator, and allows FT to replace the moderator when it's necessary.

I now think it doesn't matters that the moderator remains anonymous, but the job performance does matter. I would suggest that we keep a tally on the performance of a moderator, and also have a term limit on the moderator role. After all, who will police the police? So, how about giving the moderator a performance review on a regular basis, and also have FTers rotate the job every three months?

I totally agree... 100%.... the problem over the last year has been there is too much freedom (sad to say...) and the inability to use wisdom on when to post and not to post.. when to give someone attention and when not to...

Moderators are a necessary evil (no insult meant)

After all, who will police the police?

Right now, Randy & Co.

In a few weeks (hopefully) the appointed + elected TalkBoard.

Dorian

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The Global Lounge Project - open source airline lounge listings - managed by Dorian
flyers'places - restaurant, bar & hotel tips - acquired by nFT
The Star Alliance RTW Price Chart - by Dorian
The Star Alliance Gold Comparison Chart - by Blondebomber