Do I Really Need to Sit for Last Hour of Flights to TLV
Aug 18, 2011, 6:35 pm
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Do I Really Need to Sit for Last Hour of Flights to TLV
I've only heard this announced on US-based airlines on flights to TLV, as well as once on LX: "Due to Israeli security policies, you are required to remain seated for the last hour of the flight."
Knowing Israel, likely this policy doesn't exist. Have people heard this on other airlines? Is this really the case?
Knowing Israel, likely this policy doesn't exist. Have people heard this on other airlines? Is this really the case?
Aug 18, 2011, 10:35 pm
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I've only heard this announced on US-based airlines on flights to TLV, as well as once on LX: "Due to Israeli security policies, you are required to remain seated for the last hour of the flight."
Knowing Israel, likely this policy doesn't exist. Have people heard this on other airlines? Is this really the case?
Knowing Israel, likely this policy doesn't exist. Have people heard this on other airlines? Is this really the case?
Aug 19, 2011, 9:23 am
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That's the announcement on CO as well. But they don't make this announcement on LY or LH, or a couple of other airlines. If this really is a policy, why isn't LY, of all airlines, enforcing it? And what would be the rationale?
Aug 19, 2011, 11:04 am
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Maybe the policy applies only to carriers which don´t have at least 2 sky marshalss on all flights to TLV or some similar criteria? That would be the most obvious difference IMO (with LY having Israeli security officers onboard all flights, I wouldn´t be surprised if they were exempt from some of the policies.)
Sep 3, 2011, 12:24 pm
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No idea whether the policy was set by the Israeli government, the home carrier´s security agencies or the airlines.
Maybe the policy applies only to carriers which don´t have at least 2 sky marshalss on all flights to TLV or some similar criteria? That would be the most obvious difference IMO (with LY having Israeli security officers onboard all flights, I wouldn´t be surprised if they were exempt from some of the policies.)
Maybe the policy applies only to carriers which don´t have at least 2 sky marshalss on all flights to TLV or some similar criteria? That would be the most obvious difference IMO (with LY having Israeli security officers onboard all flights, I wouldn´t be surprised if they were exempt from some of the policies.)
Meaning, if they don't want people out of their seats because they don't want security issues, why only the last 45 minutes? Because the IAF wouldn't have enough time to react to an issue, but more than 45 min they would? (Which isn't true anyways.)
Sep 5, 2011, 1:05 am
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The announcement is for the last 45 minutes as you mentioned before, and they claim it's from the Ministry of Homeland Security. What would having the sky marshals on board do?
Meaning, if they don't want people out of their seats because they don't want security issues, why only the last 45 minutes? Because the IAF wouldn't have enough time to react to an issue, but more than 45 min they would? (Which isn't true anyways.)
Meaning, if they don't want people out of their seats because they don't want security issues, why only the last 45 minutes? Because the IAF wouldn't have enough time to react to an issue, but more than 45 min they would? (Which isn't true anyways.)
"The plane is at higher risk of being hijacked/crashed into a city near TLV than over the ocean, so let´s forbid pax to get up during approach => The risk is lower on LY flights as those always have sky marshals onboard => XY airline doesn´t, so let´s impose some other restrictions"
I´m sure it´s a little more complicated than that with several governments involved, but considering various countries have implemented additional security measures (e.g. TLV-bound planes are accompanied by tanks at FRA), I think it´s entirely possible the 45min rule actually exists (for some countries).
Sep 5, 2011, 4:51 am
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Being TLV based, I fly a variety of airlines in/out of TLV. It's a hit and miss situation whether the captain will make this announcement or not.
I think you have a few minutes after the captain makes the announcements to finish moving around, but the crew would get a bit antsy if you're still walking around long after the announcement was made.
Oddly enough, they seem to enforce this less in the Premium cabin, from my experience.
I think you have a few minutes after the captain makes the announcements to finish moving around, but the crew would get a bit antsy if you're still walking around long after the announcement was made.
Oddly enough, they seem to enforce this less in the Premium cabin, from my experience.
Sep 5, 2011, 9:47 am
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I was just thinking some bureaucrat may have been thinking something up along the lines of
"The plane is at higher risk of being hijacked/crashed into a city near TLV than over the ocean, so let´s forbid pax to get up during approach => The risk is lower on LY flights as those always have sky marshals onboard => XY airline doesn´t, so let´s impose some other restrictions"
I´m sure it´s a little more complicated than that with several governments involved, but considering various countries have implemented additional security measures (e.g. TLV-bound planes are accompanied by tanks at FRA), I think it´s entirely possible the 45min rule actually exists (for some countries).
"The plane is at higher risk of being hijacked/crashed into a city near TLV than over the ocean, so let´s forbid pax to get up during approach => The risk is lower on LY flights as those always have sky marshals onboard => XY airline doesn´t, so let´s impose some other restrictions"
I´m sure it´s a little more complicated than that with several governments involved, but considering various countries have implemented additional security measures (e.g. TLV-bound planes are accompanied by tanks at FRA), I think it´s entirely possible the 45min rule actually exists (for some countries).
The issue here is, why is the plane any more likely to get hijacked the last 45 minutes versus anytime over the ocean?
Being TLV based, I fly a variety of airlines in/out of TLV. It's a hit and miss situation whether the captain will make this announcement or not.
I think you have a few minutes after the captain makes the announcements to finish moving around, but the crew would get a bit antsy if you're still walking around long after the announcement was made.
Oddly enough, they seem to enforce this less in the Premium cabin, from my experience.
I think you have a few minutes after the captain makes the announcements to finish moving around, but the crew would get a bit antsy if you're still walking around long after the announcement was made.
Oddly enough, they seem to enforce this less in the Premium cabin, from my experience.
Sep 7, 2011, 2:49 am
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I have a business trip to Israel coming up. This rule would give me a problem. Unfortunately I need to visit wc fairly regularly and can only cope on flights if I go right before fasten seat belt sign comes up. If there is an additional time period to observe beforehand I'd better think of flying into AMM and then making a road journey. Or is Cyprus and then a boat journey a viable option? can you directly to Haifa from Cyprus?
Sep 7, 2011, 5:13 am
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I have a business trip to Israel coming up. This rule would give me a problem. Unfortunately I need to visit wc fairly regularly and can only cope on flights if I go right before fasten seat belt sign comes up. If there is an additional time period to observe beforehand I'd better think of flying into AMM and then making a road journey. Or is Cyprus and then a boat journey a viable option? can you directly to Haifa from Cyprus?
Sep 7, 2011, 5:29 am
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I have a business trip to Israel coming up. This rule would give me a problem. Unfortunately I need to visit wc fairly regularly and can only cope on flights if I go right before fasten seat belt sign comes up. If there is an additional time period to observe beforehand I'd better think of flying into AMM and then making a road journey. Or is Cyprus and then a boat journey a viable option? can you directly to Haifa from Cyprus?
Road journey is not a very good idea.
Fly ElAl in C. They will let you use the WC almost until landing.
Sep 10, 2011, 1:55 pm
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