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Originally Posted by whlinder
(Post 10046382)
One of the original stipulations of the legislation was to give carriers access to DCA who did not have hubs inside the perimeter. Which is why in the original allocation Frontier and the old America West won most of the slots (5/6 IIRC) with TWA winning a single LAX daily. When TWA was taken over by AA the slot went back in the pool and was reallocated to Alaska (who did not apply in the first round) for DCA-SEA just prior to 9/11. So the original 6 slots ended up in the hands of carriers who basically had no presence inside the 1250 perimeter (HP had a small hub in CMH that has been closed down). In the next round of allocations AS won 2 more (SEA & LAX), HP won 1 (PHX), F9 won 1 (DEN), DL won 1 (SLC) and UA won 1 (DEN). The justification for DL and UA was to connect smaller communities in the Rockies to DCA with a single stop. To my knowledge the only carrier that has ever applied for DCA-SFO was US who was promptly shot down for being the majority slot holder at DCA. When HP took over US their slots did not go back up for reallocation, which IMHO was a mistake on the DOT's part. Now the combined carrier has the most slots at DCA and the most beyond-perimeter slots. :rolleyes:
(That is all from memory so pieces may be wrong, please correct me if it is). so WE awarded the slots to people who had no presence in DCA. is a 1 or 2 slot presence at an airpot an efficient use of whatever? |
DiFi has her own jet
Originally Posted by slawecki
(Post 9995450)
i am amazed that with both feinstein and boxer from SF area that they do not have plane service. maybe the planes are a guy thing.
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Originally Posted by You want to go where?
(Post 10019734)
Republicans congressmen and Senators are all about States' Rights until it affects them. Then, their hypocracy comes out.
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It will be interesting to see who gets the slots when US goes under.
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Originally Posted by El Boocho
(Post 10046713)
I'm sure no democrats have ever been the beneficiary of these exception flights. Maybe if you and your democrat friends stop taking the exception flights the airlines will pull them. :rolleyes:
either wash or oregon got a flight for patty smith. |
Originally Posted by slawecki
(Post 10048605)
that's not true, the whole thing started with by a texas democrat.
either wash or oregon got a flight for patty smith. What was started by a Texas Democrat was the increase of the perimeter restriction from 1000 miles to 1250 miles, allowing DFW (and IAH) to be served from DCA. |
Wikipedia has a section dedicated to the perimeter section (of course, take it with a grain of salt)
Reagan National Airport is subject to a federally mandated perimeter limitation and cannot accommodate flights to cities outside a 1,250 mile radius, with limited exceptions. The U.S. Department of Transportation has issued 24 "beyond-perimeter slot exemptions" which allow specified carriers to operate 12 daily round-trip flights to cities outside the perimeter. These exemptions are allocated as follows: * US Airways (8 slots operating as 3x Phoenix, 1x Las Vegas) * Alaska Airlines (6 slots operating as 2x Seattle/Tacoma, 1x Los Angeles) * Frontier Airlines (6 slots operating as 3x Denver) * Delta Air Lines (2 slots operating as 1x Salt Lake City) * United Airlines (2 slots operating as 1x Denver) In 1999, Senator John McCain of Arizona introduced legislation to remove the 1250-mile perimeter restriction, infuriating local residents concerned about noise and traffic from increased service by larger, long-haul aircraft. McCain argued that the move would improve competition, while critics charged he was supporting the interests of Phoenix, Arizona-based America West Airlines (AWA). In the end the restriction was not lifted, but the FAA was permitted to add additional exemptions, which went not to AWA but to competitor Alaska Airlines. America West (now US Airways) would later gain additional exemptions for non-stop service to Phoenix in 2004. |
Originally Posted by mk1
(Post 10056889)
Wikipedia has a section dedicated to the perimeter section (of course, take it with a grain of salt)
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
In the end the restriction was not lifted, but the FAA was permitted to add additional exemptions, which went not to AWA but to competitor Alaska Airlines. America West (now US Airways) would later gain additional exemptions for non-stop service to Phoenix in 2004.
My memory has faded so my original post should also be read with a grain of salt; the original awards were HP LAS x1 HP PHX x2 N7 (National Airlines) LAS x1 TW LAX x1 F9 DEN x1 Alaska didn't even apply in round 1. Wikipedia's commentary is wrong. Also TZ applied for DCA-SFO in this round. Then TWA filed Ch11 and the slots went back up for grabs. Alaska applied and won those to SEA. DOT order here. Then N7 shut down and their slots were reallocated. DL won them to SLC. DOT order here. Round 2 saw the following winners: AS SEA x1 AS LAX x1 F9 DEN x2 HP PHX x1 UA DEN x1 DOT order here. I refer to roundtrips and not slots in my post btw. |
Originally Posted by slawecki
(Post 10048605)
that's not true, the whole thing started with by a texas democrat.
either wash or oregon got a flight for patty smith. |
Originally Posted by whlinder
(Post 10057330)
Then N7 shut down and their slots were reallocated.
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it would be interesting to see what happened if both F9 and US went under. that's a lot of slots right there. i love DCA...actually came back from SMF last friday on the PHX-DCA flight. very convenient to get my back and get down the metro one stop to braddock road and i'm home. best part was going to DCA, time from walking out my apartment to metro to walking into DCA? 15 minutes. i love it.
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looks like US is going more and more in the tank with all these charges...it'd be great to get those four outside perimeter slots bid on
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Originally Posted by El Boocho
(Post 10059915)
I was being sarcastic. I'm no GWB Fan club member, but I get tired of the endless rhetoric that the democrats are better.
http://www.mwcog.org/uploads/committ...0604145540.pdf when trying to search for it, one keeps getting the wright amendment, which deals with screwing dallas love field, and covering AA at dfw, which has nothing to do with the perimeters. |
Originally Posted by El Boocho
(Post 10059915)
I was being sarcastic. I'm no GWB Fan club member, but I get tired of the endless rhetoric that the democrats are better.
Democrats can be hypocrits, too, and I wasn't trying to use this particular situation to pursue a broader agenda of suggesting that the Democrats are better. Back to the topic at hand, I agree with idea of turning it back into a swamp. If we are really serious about airplane security, the idea of having an airport within spitting distance of the White House, Capitol, and The Pentagon, is just insane. All it takes is one crazy pilot and ... |
I would LOVE for a DCA-SFO flight on UA...seriously, love it.
With the expansion taking place at IAD, and the slashing of airline capacity, I cannot see DCA growing much. It would be nice to weed out some of the smaller US flights - free up some air, decrease delays, etc. |
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