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alotoftravel Mar 13, 2008 11:51 pm

Last year, it happened to me twice. I left Marriott properties when I was not upgraded. Why stay there when there are closer and nicer hotels to my job site?

I try my best last year to stay with Marriott but they are not very accommodating to Elites to upgrade. This year, I decided to share my hotel business with several hotels.

IMHO, I just don't think Marriott treat their elites well. As a Marriott member, I try to stay in Marriott but the property owners just don't seem to follow their upgrade rules. So far this year, staying at different hotels has been pleasantly refreshing and good.

socrates Mar 14, 2008 8:30 am


Originally Posted by jayer (Post 9406967)
If I do something like this, how long should a Marriott reply take? I noted on the e-survey two weeks ago that I had an open issue the GM did not resolve, and assumed somebody from Marriott would get back to me. Its not enough to walk away from Platinum over (but that hotel does not get the nights in 2008 it got in 2007), but I do want to escalate the issue.

depends on the hotel but if you only note it in the survey it will take longer - if you'd like a faster response and you have already contacted the GM I'd then speak with Customer Service who has a 48 hour turn around

DJ_Iceman Mar 14, 2008 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by imverge (Post 9407003)
By far the best hotel in entire Marriott network in providing Platinums with suite upgrades.

Now why can't other Marriott properties do the same? If a suite is available and going to be empty why not reward your most loyal guests?

My guess is that it has more to do with a property's plat/suite ratio than any GM's stinginess. Maybe in Toronto they just don't get that many plats, or maybe they have an unusally large number of suites.

megtravels Apr 5, 2008 3:22 pm

I RARELY get upgraded....and frankly, I don't think being Plat Premier is any different or gets me an ounce more respect or appreciation!

Yes, I should just go stay someplace else, but not all the other chains have as many brands....and, as a former Marriott associate, and current stockholder, I guess I have loyalties!

I will say, that after walking out of 4 hotels of various m-brands outside of Boston, a desk clerk in a Courtyard wanted to upgrade me to a double double suite...but they were all dirty. Needed 2 beds...so, she asked the manager and they gave me TWO connecting rooms...for ONE price......

THAT was wonderful!

Compaining to GMs, Customer Care and Mr. M himself rarely gets you anything!

OK...stepping off the soapbox.....

megtravels Apr 5, 2008 3:55 pm


Originally Posted by alotoftravel (Post 9407733)
Last year, it happened to me twice. I left Marriott properties when I was not upgraded. Why stay there when there are closer and nicer hotels to my job site?

I try my best last year to stay with Marriott but they are not very accommodating to Elites to upgrade. This year, I decided to share my hotel business with several hotels.

IMHO, I just don't think Marriott treat their elites well. As a Marriott member, I try to stay in Marriott but the property owners just don't seem to follow their upgrade rules. So far this year, staying at different hotels has been pleasantly refreshing and good.

and i thought i was the only one annoyed with marriott!

i have lost count.....lets see, in the last month i have walked out of 5 hotels...and i would have been happy just getting 2 beds without being charged the extra 10 bucks!!!

USirritated Apr 5, 2008 4:00 pm

I think that it is really funny, because I get upgrades all the time! All I do is ask for them! Do I get them every time? NO, of course not! But I ask for them every chance that I get, when I make the reservation, then before I get to the hotel I sometimes will call the hotel, and then when I check in. Sometimes I get amazing upgrades, including to major suites! If you do not ask, you do not get!

bdschobel Apr 5, 2008 4:09 pm

I get upgrades from time to time without asking for them. (Usually, I don't spend enough time in the room to care.) I can't imagine elite Marriott customers who never get them.

Bruce

HeadInTheClouds Apr 5, 2008 4:10 pm


Originally Posted by USirritated (Post 9524312)
I think that it is really funny, because I get upgrades all the time! All I do is ask for them! Do I get them every time? NO, of course not! But I ask for them every chance that I get, when I make the reservation, then before I get to the hotel I sometimes will call the hotel, and then when I check in. Sometimes I get amazing upgrades, including to major suites! If you do not ask, you do not get!

:(. That right there sums up what I really dislike about the state of things in the travel industry today. It makes employees' jobs more difficult having to learn to say "no" so often, and when the behavior is rewarded it just encourages it more. When employees just reflexively say "no" the next time you need something, just think about how jaded they've become being pummeled with stuff like this. No one likes to tell people no (at least no one who you want working in a hospitality industry), it's an unpleasant part of the job.

I always try to respect employees, never asking for stuff like this. I consider it rude to do so. Unfortunately, as a result of my considerate behavior, I get the short end of the stick because some of the above tactics succeed. Shame.

megtravels Apr 5, 2008 4:21 pm


Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds (Post 9524357)
I always try to respect employees, never asking for stuff like this. I consider it rude to do so. Unfortunately, as a result of my considerate behavior, I get the short end of the stick because some of the above tactics succeed. Shame.

That's why I generally don't ask......there have been times when I've gotten upgraded....more often than not, though it is due to other issues, such as dirty room, noisy, smoke smelling, etc. I had a number of issues at the Chateau Champlain a few years back (pre strike......and funny, I visitied during the strike, but was not staying)...wound up in a HUGE suite..my mom and I had been nice throughout, but told the manager we were going to leave...she said please look at one more room!

I just wish that marriott would actually respect their repeat guests! (And stop charging for internet in FS!!!!)

USirritated Apr 5, 2008 4:32 pm


Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds (Post 9524357)
:(. That right there sums up what I really dislike about the state of things in the travel industry today. It makes employees' jobs more difficult having to learn to say "no" so often, and when the behavior is rewarded it just encourages it more. When employees just reflexively say "no" the next time you need something, just think about how jaded they've become being pummeled with stuff like this. No one likes to tell people no (at least no one who you want working in a hospitality industry), it's an unpleasant part of the job.

I always try to respect employees, never asking for stuff like this. I consider it rude to do so. Unfortunately, as a result of my considerate behavior, I get the short end of the stick because some of the above tactics succeed. Shame.

It is not rude to ask for an upgrade! Do you know how many people at Marriott do not even know what the upgrade rules are? Do you know how many people who work for Marriott do not know what a Bonus Buck is? Are you familiar with the concept of if you do not ask you do not get? This is not limited to Marriott or the travel industry in general, this is just a business concept. Many a time I have gotten to a hotel that was less than 50% full and did not get an upgrade, and asked, and was told, "Oh, I am sorry Mr. USirritated, I don't know how we missed your status as a Platinum member, we should have put you in a xxx room, I am sorry for the oversight, I will take care of that right away!" The same goes for when I get to the airport I ask for my first class upgrade if I have not be automatically upgraded beforehand. It is not rude, it is looking out for myself. Do I get angry if I do not get it? No! I smile and say thank you! I ask for upgrades because I know that if I do not, I will not get them as often as I do! I ask for them in the way that I do, because I know that I am asking a different person, in a different position, at a different point in the process, each and every time, from reservation, to rooms control, to check in. That is the way that the system is set up, and I have learned, after years, and years, how to get the best that I can get. I do not apologize for that, and I never will. Anyone who thinks that is bad has a problem with their own self esteem!

HeadInTheClouds Apr 5, 2008 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by USirritated (Post 9524424)
Anyone who thinks that is bad has a problem with their own self esteem!

I would very, very much argue the reverse of this statement, but we will have to agree to leave it at that point lest we take this thread somewhere it doesn't need to go.

HeadInTheClouds Apr 5, 2008 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by megtravels (Post 9524393)
That's why I generally don't ask......there have been times when I've gotten upgraded....more often than not, though it is due to other issues, such as dirty room, noisy, smoke smelling, etc. I had a number of issues at the Chateau Champlain a few years back (pre strike......and funny, I visitied during the strike, but was not staying)...wound up in a HUGE suite..my mom and I had been nice throughout, but told the manager we were going to leave...she said please look at one more room!

Absolutely nothing wrong with complaining about a problem!

I get concierge floors at FS Marriotts & Rens at least 80% of the time (without asking), and that is an acceptable percentage to me. Suites are rare - maybe twice a year. At CY's it's not gonna be anything more than the water & cookies! And granted, SPG is substantially better in upgrades.

But in the end, that is the slate I receive from Marriott, and I make my purchase decisions based on that basic expectaion of how they deliver on their product, as it should be. If a particular property has a bad track record over time, I simply do whatever I can to avoid it.

Also nothing wrong with asking questions if you think something is wrong with the reservation -- i.e., you show up and they act like they don't have your information and ask you to fill out a registration card w/ your name, address etc. That is a point where I start asking if they have all my info, reservation, MR status, etc.

USirritated Apr 5, 2008 5:17 pm


Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds (Post 9524459)
I would very, very much argue the reverse of this statement, but we will have to agree to leave it at that point lest we take this thread somewhere it doesn't need to go.

So let me get this right, you feel that asking for an upgrade is a bad thing? And you feel that NOT asking for an upgrade is the only polite thing to do? And you further feel that as a Platinum member of Marriott, that if you do not get upgraded very often, that by not asking for upgrades, even if they are available, but someone did not give them to you because of an oversight, that asking would be rude?

sophiegirl Apr 5, 2008 8:48 pm

USirritated and HeadInTheClouds - what you are both missing in this (although US alluded to it) is not whether asking is rude or not rude - it is that there should be no reason to have to ask.

For whatever reasons, it does seem as if the front desk staff are not well trained on the various aspects of the check in procedures that are even slightly out of the norm. If you read FT, a consistent theme across the threads include improper posting of PP's or BB's, improperly processed BOGO's, forgotten plat gifts, and (I guess, after reading this thread) upgrades.

I have never asked for an upgrade, figuring if they had one, I would get it. Obviously, based on reading these posts, I am naive in that beleif. But I don't agree that it is makes it hard on the staff if I were to ask- they are NOT telling me I can't have it, they are saying there isn't one available for me to have. Big difference in my book.

You hear few of these complaints with Ren - so I think they occur far less in that part of the chain. Is their training program so superior? Do they have less turnover? Is their scheduling budget for training higher? SOMETHING is different, and if Marriott could capture that and carry it over to the FS, a lot of these issues would disappear.

USirritated Apr 5, 2008 9:34 pm

I have all the same issues with Renaissance that I do with Marriott. I like many Renaissance Hotels because of their atmosphere, decor, etc., but otherwise there is generally no difference that I can see, nothing worth speaking about.


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