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-   -   Official announcement – See how our three loyalty programs will become one in August (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marriott-rewards/1904262-official-announcement-see-how-our-three-loyalty-programs-will-become-one-august.html)

hockeyinsider Apr 16, 2018 4:51 pm
Originally Posted by dmodemd (Post 29648231)
As a Diamond at Hilton, I have to beg and cry to get 1-1:30pm. Marriott/SPG seems reasonable. Hyatt does give 2pm at 10 nights though..
We really need to see the terms and conditions because there are plenty of reports of Marriott gold and platinums struggling to get the 4 p.m. late checkout as it presently stands. Will Marriott condition it? That's yet to be seen.

hockeyinsider Apr 16, 2018 4:53 pm
Originally Posted by svo242 (Post 29648167)
A little disappointing, but not totally unexpected, that the premium cards only get gold status. The existing Ritz premium card gets Marriott Gold in the current program, which is obviously much more valuable (and harder to obtain) than the gold of the future program. But I suspect that if they offered the basic platinum status with the premium cards, they would not have been able to offer all of those great benefits (breakfast, lounge access, etc.).
But you'll get platinum with $75,000 in spending on one of the new cards.

I wonder if I can get my Ritz-Carlton Visa membership fee refunded.

MSPeconomist Apr 16, 2018 4:53 pm
Originally Posted by hockeyinsider (Post 29648236)
Except anyone with a credit card will be a silver-elite. As Delta used to say, if everyone is an elite then nobody is an elite.

In reality, I think the names will be confusing for hotels, which already struggle to deliver. There are three levels of platinum with very confusing and similar names. Marriott could have came up with a better naming convention. For purposes of upgrades, Marriott better define in the terms and conditions that a platinum-premier takes precedence over a platinum and a platinum-premier ambassador takes precedence over platinum-premier and platinum.

The big question is whether there will be any unpublished status or sub-status over platinum-premier ambassador. For example, will platinum 5-star be continued for friends of Marriott? And will there be a new version of platinum-premier for anyone who exceeds $50,000 and 150 nights?
AFAIK new elite tier names are still to be determined and announced later.

GUWonder Apr 16, 2018 4:56 pm
Originally Posted by dmodemd (Post 29648231)
As a Diamond at Hilton, I have to beg and cry to get 1-1:30pm. Marriott/SPG seems reasonable. Hyatt does give 2pm at 10 nights though..
Hilton’s program has been the most devalued major hotel program in the FT era, and here we have Marriott aping Hilton. Not good for consumers in the main — and that’s an understatement.

hockeyinsider Apr 16, 2018 4:56 pm
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 29648263)
AFAIK new elite tier names are still to be determined and announced later.
Fake news.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29647373-post3.html

pvn Apr 16, 2018 4:56 pm
Originally Posted by PHL (Post 29647938)
I don't think that's a correct interpretation. You have until 12/31/2018 to earn Platinum with stays at SPG properties, which will carry you through 2019 as a Marriott Platinum in the new program. Then, EFFECTIVE Jan 1, 2019 - they will not be counting stays in the combined program.

https://members.marriott.com/spg/
  • Starting January 1, 2019, Elite status will be achieved on nights and not on stays. Until then, SPG members can achieve status based on stays at SPG-associated brands only, but can also qualify based on nights at any of the 29 brands.
OK, makes sense. But no way to qualify for 2019 PP via stays as far as I can see.

EG, I had 75+ nights with Marriott in 2017, which gives me Marriott Plat, which matched over to SPG Plat, and is effectively similar to the new PP. There doesn't seem to be any way to renew that level via stays only. Am I missing something?

afurlong Apr 16, 2018 5:00 pm
Originally Posted by acarney (Post 29648248)
So I assume the SPG Gold status earned from the American Express Platinum card (which matched to Marriott Gold) will now become Marriott Platinum? That's assuming Amex doesn't ditch the benefit with Marriott and instead either just go solo with Hilton or add another hotel partner... In that case things haven't changed tooooo much, obviously we wouldn't see the annual choice benefit but we never saw anything like that anyway just from credit card status. I'm also curious about the 4pm check out since now it doesn't seem like that is based on availability. I assume if I request it then I'll be guaranteed it, unless it's a resort or convention center location? (Btw, have you had to actual request 4pm before, or just the late check out, I've only done it once or twice with my Marriott Gold and have only been told "sure, you can check out at 1:30pm" or something)
Here's my guess (completely uninformed, shot in the dark): through the end of 2018, those of us in this boat (Amex Plat -> SPG Gold -> Marriott Gold) will have the NEW Platinum for the remainder of the year, but as of 2019, Amex Plat = Gold. If they are going to have a $450AF card that requires $75k spend on it to hit Platinum, I can't imagine that they will offer it for the cost of a Amex Plat/Biz Plat card.

I have the Amex Biz Plat as an AU, the SPG personal card, and the SPG Biz. Will probably close out the two SPG cards and just get their new Loyalty one - the $75k spend is do-able for me.

UAL123 Apr 16, 2018 5:02 pm
Originally Posted by acarney (Post 29648248)
So I assume the SPG Gold status earned from the American Express Platinum card (which matched to Marriott Gold) will now become Marriott Platinum? That's assuming Amex doesn't ditch the benefit with Marriott and instead either just go solo with Hilton or add another hotel partner... In that case things haven't changed tooooo much, obviously we wouldn't see the annual choice benefit but we never saw anything like that anyway just from credit card status. I'm also curious about the 4pm check out since now it doesn't seem like that is based on availability. I assume if I request it then I'll be guaranteed it, unless it's a resort or convention center location? (Btw, have you had to actual request 4pm before, or just the late check out, I've only done it once or twice with my Marriott Gold and have only been told "sure, you can check out at 1:30pm" or something)

I haven't really looked at the points earning right now since I don't stay enough with any specific brand to really rack up the points, maybe that was a big downward hit with this new program, but I usually base my stays first on location and then price. For some reason my luck NEVER allows me to just pick one brand since the handful of routine vacation spots seem to either have a Hilton close to where I need or a Marriott close, or an independent hotel or something, so maintaining the same level of perks is what I'm curious/focused on.
It's my understanding that it will convert to Marriott Gold. Under the new program current SPG Gold becomes Marriott Gold. Current Marriott Gold becomes Platinum. I don't think that they will use your current Marriott Gold status since the status was only obtained because of status matching. I think they will look at your SPG Gold status. Just a guess though. FYI... I'm in the same boat and was hoping that we could at least keep the current Marriott Gold benefits through the end of the year.

schwimmair Apr 16, 2018 5:08 pm
Newb question but does Marriott soft land to next lowest tier at the beginning of a new year? It looks like current Marriott Plats with be upgraded to Plat Premier on Aug 1. Will they soft land back to Plat on Mar 1, 2019?

Thanks

acarney Apr 16, 2018 5:13 pm
Well damn, that is a big downgrade and makes holding onto a $550 annual fee card a lot harder now. I like the Delta/Amex lounge access and the Hotel benefits. I don't really use the Uber perk, at least no where near enough to actually "make back" the possible $200 and the airline fee benefit, while nice, isn't as good as with the new high end Amex Hilton card....

I'll probably try to ditch that product and shift everything to the CSR card or at least downgrade the Amex to something else. Man, I really don't want to be opening cards or closing accounts since I'll be going to a mortgage in the next year or so and age of credit is really the only "ding" I have on my credit history (just over 800 right now, but average age is showing only like ~2 years because I only had one or two credit cards for 10+ years and in the last 2 years got the Amex, CSR, an auto lease, and a small unsecured loan [which is now paid off]. Perfect payment history, just happened new job meant being able to have more fun and look at the high end credit cards and the loan was basically to just try to diversify my accounts on my credit history)

MSPeconomist Apr 16, 2018 5:16 pm
Originally Posted by pvn (Post 29648275)
OK, makes sense. But no way to qualify for 2019 PP via stays as far as I can see.

EG, I had 75+ nights with Marriott in 2017, which gives me Marriott Plat, which matched over to SPG Plat, and is effectively similar to the new PP. There doesn't seem to be any way to renew that level via stays only. Am I missing something?
Marriott status has "always" been based on nights, not stays.

SPG allowed stays to be used to qualify for Gold and PlatMinus, but NOT ever Plat50, Plat75, or Ambassador.

bhrubin Apr 16, 2018 5:17 pm
Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 29648151)
Indeed, in my years as an SPG Plat, there were *some* Starwoods that provided utterly atrocious excuses for "breakfast". Otherwise good hotels, W's and Westins. It was embarrassing. I stayed in one that literally gave out shrink-wrapped muffins like you'd get for 99 cents at a gas station. That one was a W.
In all the years with SPG, I’ve stayed at nearly every W in the USA, which historically aren’t the strongest worldwide (because most are the oldest in the brand)—and I’ve never experienced what you describe. You can get full breakfast at most Ws now, and have been able to do so for years at almost all of them. And Westins are more of the same. Even the most basic continental breakfast guarantee since 2012 at all Starwood hotels is far more than what you describe.

Me’thinks you may be confused, remember wrongly, or suffer some form of brand mis-identification.

I think I always knew the Ritz lounges would be off-limits since they're pretty amazing all-day food and drink spreads. I kind of had limited hope we'd get a restaurant option. But as you said, we all now have access to St. Regis, and I tend to like their style/decor a little better than Ritz anyway.
Ritz Clubs are a hallmark brand standard, distinct from lounges. No issue there for me, as that makes sense. I’ve never been much of a fan of lounges or Clubs, anyway.

I am surprised that Ritz Carlton and Edition won’t be offering a breakfast benefit, however. It seems such a fairly easy and obvious addition, at least even for Platinum 75 and 100 level. But the owners probably balked. So perhaps St Regis and W will be preferred by more elites looking for that breakfast benefit.

epiahtles Apr 16, 2018 5:20 pm
HERE’S HOW MEMBER TIERS WILL CHANGE IN AUGUST.
Rewards Elite Tier Today | Elite Tier in August
Silver Elite with 10-24 nights | Silver Elite
Silver Elite with 25-49 nights | Gold Elite
Gold Elite | Platinum Elite
Platinum Elite | Platinum Premier Elite
Platinum Elite with 100 nights and $20k in qualifying spend | Platinum Premier Elite with ambassador
https://members.marriott.com/marriottrewards/
SPG Tier Today | Elite Tier in August
Preferred Guest with 10-24 nights | Silver EliteCorporate Preferred Guest
Silver Elite Preferred Guest Plus | Silver Elite
Gold Preferred Guest | Gold Elite
Platinum Preferred Guest | Platinum Elite
Platinum Preferred Guest with 50 nights | Platinum Elite
Platinum Preferred Guest with 75 nights | Platinum Premier Elite
Platinum Preferred Guest with 100 nights | Platinum Premier Elite with ambassador
https://members.marriott.com/spg/
Not sure how these two will mix up. The following is what I think.

SPG Plat | always do 25s/25n between Jan-Jul on SPG | 0 stay on Marriott
2015 - SPG Plat | Marriott Nothing
2016 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2017 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018JanJul - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018AugDec - Unified Plat
2019 - Unified Plat
2020 - Unified Gold

SPG Plat | always do 25s/25n between Aug-Dec on SPG | 0 stay on Marriott
2015 - SPG Plat | Marriott Nothing
2016 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2017 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018JanJul - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018AugDec - Unified Plat
2019 - Unified Plat
2020 - Unified Gold

SPG Plat50 | 50 night on SPG | 0 stay on Marriott
2015 - SPG Plat50 | Marriott Nothing
2016 - SPG Plat50 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2017 - SPG Plat50 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018JanJul - SPG Plat50 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018AugDec - Unified Plat
2019 - Unified Plat
2020 - Unified Plat

SPG Plat75 | 75 night on SPG | 0 stay on Marriott
2015 - SPG Plat75 | Marriott Nothing
2016 - SPG Plat75 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2017 - SPG Plat75 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018JanJul - SPG Plat75 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier
2019 - Unified Plat Premier
2020 - Unified Plat Premier

SPG Plat100 below $20k | always do 100n between Jan-Jul on SPG with below $20k spending | 0 stay on Marriott
2015 - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Nothing
2016 - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2017 - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018JanJul - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2019 - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2020 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)

SPG Plat100 below $20k | always do 100n between Aug-Dec on SPG with below $20k spending | 0 stay on Marriott
2015 - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Nothing
2016 - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2017 - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018JanJul - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2019 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)
2020 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)

SPG Plat100 over $20k | 100 night on SPG with over $20k spending | 0 stay on Marriott
2015 - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Nothing
2016 - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2017 - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018JanJul - SPG Plat100 | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2019 - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2020 - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador

Marriott Silver25 | 0 stay on SPG | 25 night on Marriott
2015 - SPG Nothing | Marriott Silver
2016 - SPG + (Matched) | Marriott Silver
2017 - SPG + (Matched) | Marriott Silver
2018JanJul - SPG + (Matched) | Marriott Silver
2018AugDec - Unified Gold
2019 - Unified Gold
2020 - Unified Gold

Marriott Gold | 0 stay on SPG | 50 night on Marriott
2015 - SPG Nothing | Marriott Gold
2016 - SPG Gold (Matched) | Marriott Gold
2017 - SPG Gold (Matched) | Marriott Gold
2018JanJul - SPG Gold (Matched) | Marriott Gold
2018AugDec - Unified Plat
2019 - Unified Plat
2020 - Unified Plat

Marriott Plat | 0 stay on SPG | 75 night on Marriott
2015 - SPG Nothing | Marriott Plat
2016 - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2017 - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2018JanJul - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier
2019 - Unified Plat Premier
2020 - Unified Plat Premier

Marriott Plat100 below $20k | 0 stay on SPG | 100 night on Marriott with below $20k spending
2015 - SPG Nothing | Marriott Plat
2016 - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2017 - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2018JanJul - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)
2019 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)
2020 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)

Marriott Plat100 over $20k | 0 stay on SPG | 100 night on Marriott with over $20k spending
2015 - SPG Nothing | Marriott Plat
2016 - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2017 - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2018JanJul - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2019 - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2020 - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador

Marriott Plat Premier 75 | 0 stay on SPG | 75 night on Marriott with much higher than $20k spending
2015 - SPG Nothing | Marriott Plat
2016 - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2017 - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2018JanJul - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)
2019 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)
2020 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)

Marriott Plat Premier 100 | 0 stay on SPG | 100 night on Marriott with much higher than $20k spending
2015 - SPG Nothing | Marriott Plat
2016 - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2017 - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2018JanJul - SPG Plat (Matched) | Marriott Plat
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2019 - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2020 - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador

SPG 25s Plat + Marriott Silver25 Combo | 25s/25n on SPG | 25 night on Marriott | 50 unified night
2015 - SPG Plat | Marriott Silver
2016 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2017 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018JanJul - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018AugDec - Unified Plat
2019 - Unified Plat
2020 - Unified Plat

SPG 25s Plat + Marriott Gold Combo | 25s/25n on SPG | 50 night on Marriott | 75 unified night
SPG 50n Plat + Marriott Silver25 Combo | 50 night on SPG | 25 night on Marriott | 75 unified night
2015 - SPG Plat | Marriott Silver
2016 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2017 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018JanJul - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)
2019 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)
2020 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)

SPG 50+ Plat + Marriott Gold/Plat Combo below $20k spending | 50 night on SPG | 50/75 night on Marriott 100/125 unified night and unified spending below $20k
SPG 75+ Plat + Marriott Silver25 Combo below $20k spending | 75+ night on SPG | 25 night on Marriott 100/125 unified night and unified spending below $20k
2015 - SPG Plat | Marriott Silver25/Gold/Plat
2016 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)/Plat
2017 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)/Plat
2018JanJul - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)/Plat
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)
2019 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)
2020 - Unified Plat Premier (without Ambassador)

SPG 50+ Plat + Marriott Gold/Plat Combo over $20k spending | 50 night on SPG | 50/75 night on Marriott 100/125 unified night and unified spending over $20k
SPG 75+ Plat + Marriott Silver25 Combo over $20k spending | 75+ night on SPG | 25 night on Marriott 100/125 unified night and unified spending over $20k
2015 - SPG Plat | Marriott Silver25/Gold/Plat
2016 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)/Plat
2017 - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)/Plat
2018JanJul - SPG Plat | Marriott Plat (Matched)/Plat
2018AugDec - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2019 - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador
2020 - Unified Plat Premier with Ambassador

And how will they count LT tenure year? LTPP is out of option for SPG-only members, but how about this man? Would he become LTPP or LTP?

Man. A with 675 MR / 100 SPG night, 10 mil MR / 400k SPG point
Marriott Plat qualifed for 9 years (2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018)
SPG Plat qualifed for 1 years (2009)

And what about this man? Would he become LTP right away after Aug, 2018 or require to qualify on 2019 to be LTP?

Man. B with 600-749 combined nights
SPG Plat qualifed for 9 years (2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018)
Marriott Plat qualifed for 2 years (2011 2013)

PHL Apr 16, 2018 5:25 pm
Originally Posted by epiahtles (Post 29648377)
And how will they count LT tenure year? LTPP is out of option for SPG only members, but how about this man? Would he become LTPP or LTP?

Man. A
Marriott Plat qualifed for 9 years (2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018)
SPG Plat qualifed for 1 years (2009)

And what about this man? Would he become LTP right away after Aug, 2018 or require to qualify on 2019 to be LTP?

Man. B
SPG Plat qualifed for 9 years (2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018)
Marriott Plat qualifed for 2 years (2011 2013)
As I interpret it... when the programs combine nights and points in August, both Man A and Man B will be given LTP due to the combine 10+ years as a plat between the two programs. Since Man B qualified in both programs (2011 and 2013) in years he also qualified for SPG Plat, he should still be given credit for 11 elite years as they were in separate programs. This one could be a grey area though...

hts Apr 16, 2018 5:27 pm
Is there any level that will allow BOTH the welcome amenity (ie, points) AND comp breakfast, or are they all still pretty much either/or? Yes, I can eat a crap breakfast in the lounge of the FS properties I stay at (when they even offer a lounge) but that's not what I'm looking for.

Also, I didn't see any change to lounge/breakfast access at resort properties--something I was really hoping for at the top tiers (75+ nights).


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