Reward Night Points Increase or Decrease With Merger
Jan 16, 2018, 1:00 am
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Except for newly opened properties, catagories are not based upon the number of people staying at a particular property but the number of award redemptions at that particular property
Jan 16, 2018, 5:06 am
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Jan 16, 2018, 6:02 am
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this, but that’s pretty much how it already is. The properties people actually want to redeem points at will continue to go up, and the properties no one wants to go to will stay the same or decrease. Now MR will be able to add to the number of Category 1 and 2 properties that it likes to brag about.
Aloft vs. other properties is very much YMMV...room rates not cheap. Compared to the "old" Marriott style, I'd take an Aloft every time.
Jan 16, 2018, 6:16 am
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Jan 16, 2018, 6:43 am
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I'm not following the logic here. When one company owns more of the market, they have less competition. In this case, SPG has effectively been eliminated so that's less incentive for Marriott to decrease prices. I think there's virtually no chance there will be any kind of brand or category decrease.
As for my opinion, they will likely stay the same, with a few adjustments where a hotel was over or under priced. Then you'll see the normal annual changes, which tend to be mostly increases (at least for the properties I seem to care about
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As for my opinion, they will likely stay the same, with a few adjustments where a hotel was over or under priced. Then you'll see the normal annual changes, which tend to be mostly increases (at least for the properties I seem to care about
).I don't see the earning rate changing or either Marriott/SPG points being devalued from where they are now during the merger (as in the rate at which they convert to whatever - my expectation is Starwood points will be converted to Marriott points). I do see more properties increasing in category.
Jan 16, 2018, 6:46 am
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I guess my Logic was with more focused on the SPG properties! So I always have been told and read on here category numbers are based on a few things but mainly the amount of people staying there a year! Besides the loyalists, I feel like a SPG customer will be more inclined to go stay at the regular Marriott then the Sheraton. Which will result in the Sheraton dropping down category level's. Why would someone stay in a Four Points when they can stay in a Courtyard for the same price? In my city the regular Marriott and the Aloft are the same price. The Marriott is hand's down the better property!
I should of been more clear! I think the higher end brand's will stay the same but the lower level brands like, Courtyard, Fairfield Inn, Residence Inn, Aloft, TownPlace, Four Points, and Sheraton could see decreases in their category levels!
I should of been more clear! I think the higher end brand's will stay the same but the lower level brands like, Courtyard, Fairfield Inn, Residence Inn, Aloft, TownPlace, Four Points, and Sheraton could see decreases in their category levels!
.The point I think you are ultimately making is that perhaps some of the properties need to be re-ranked in the new portfolio. Perhaps a Sheraton, that was in the top half of SPG's brands, is now in the bottom half of the new portfolio, and should (generally) require fewer points than, say, a Marriott. I say generally, because each individual hotel gets the point value assigned, not by brand. I'm not sure if that's how SPG worked or not.
Jan 16, 2018, 6:53 am
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That's an interesting perspective. I've read a lot of posts from SPG loyalists who can't BELIEVE anyone would stay at a horrible Marriott .
The point I think you are ultimately making is that perhaps some of the properties need to be re-ranked in the new portfolio. Perhaps a Sheraton, that was in the top half of SPG's brands, is now in the bottom half of the new portfolio, and should (generally) require fewer points than, say, a Marriott. I say generally, because each individual hotel gets the point value assigned, not by brand. I'm not sure if that's how SPG worked or not.
.The point I think you are ultimately making is that perhaps some of the properties need to be re-ranked in the new portfolio. Perhaps a Sheraton, that was in the top half of SPG's brands, is now in the bottom half of the new portfolio, and should (generally) require fewer points than, say, a Marriott. I say generally, because each individual hotel gets the point value assigned, not by brand. I'm not sure if that's how SPG worked or not.
Sheraton (and FP) are the off brands in the Starwood portfolio...lot of great int'l Sheratons, some good ones in the US, and a bunch of ones way past their prime. Same goes for the FPs. Don't think many SPG loyals would shed a tear if there is some re-flagging or de-flagging.
Again, it depends how Marriott calculates categories going forward. If there is a Marriott and a Sheraton in close proximity, and for whatever reason points redemptions are ~1/4 or 1/3 less at the Sheraton, then it would make sense if it's a lower category, IF they stay with the Marriott calculation.