OP, I dont know why you have a preference over CY, especially a vast number of CYs in US are no more than a motel type set up any way.

What you should do, for ANY stay, is to at least do some homework on checking the guest reviews of the preferred properties - TripAdvisors is one good place to check, so as the chain's forum on FT.

Had you done any such homework, you may very well avoid this particular CY.

Besides, as everyone has pointed out, Marriott hardly owns any properties. It is a Hotel Management company which manages but not owns hotel properties which by and large, are owned by investment companies, partnerships and such. So they are pretty much "independently owned" in such sense as they are not owned by Marriott.

Finally, exactly what happened that made you come here to complain? Would you please let the community know about the issue(s)?

Different hotels.

OP said he stayed at Coral Springs, which is in Broward County (and considered as being in Ft. Lauderdale area.)

The article you cited is for a CY at Coral Gables, which is in Miami-Dade County (and considered as being in Miami area.)

They are probably 70 to 80 miles apart.

Really Happy?

Take a look at the last paragraph of post #12 on this thread, from much earlier today.

Not to mention Post #14 graciously acknowledging the error. :rolleyes:

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So why the thread? :confused:

That is what almost everyone here is wondering. Notice, the OP has never returned to the thread. Also notice, he did not say that it was an actual Fairfield, but that the hotel was more of a Fairfield than a Courtyard. What I took that to mean is that the hotel in Coral Springs is a downscale CY which is out of date, and would be more suitable if it was branded as a FI, instead of the CY it is now branded as. I kind of think that he pulled that one out of thin air though, because the set up of CY and FI are very different, and if you look at the page for the hotel, it looks totally like a CY, and not at all like a FI.

Jeez this is the first post where I was actually ridiculed for my post...sucks for being a newbie...

1st of all I didnt realize most we're independently owned - never really noticed it
2nd - When I walk into a Marriott I expect a Marriott - this is not one
3rd. I'm just going to read the info on here and not post - this is crazy.

We can't adress your concerns if you give no relevant information at all. As far as I know, Marriott doesn't own any Courtyards themselves. So that doesn't make it "not a Marriott" what made you feel that way?

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It's not a Marriott. It's a Courtyard by Marriott. Looks like a Courtyard to me... https://www.marriott.com/hotels/trav...coral-springs/

No offense intended by me (or hopefully anyone else), but FT is a community which has conversations about a variety of situations, AND also CRAVES and THRIVES on information. The problem is that you did not provide complete information, and then you did not come back to the thread for 24 hours to discuss, get feedback, or fill in the blanks.

VERY few of the large hotel chains own a large portion of the hotels which make up their chains. The US exceptions are Hyatt, which does own a large percentage of its own full service hotels, and Starwood, which was founded as a hotel owning REIT (Real Estate Investment Trust), then became a traditional corporation, and then back to a REIT in the late 1990s, and finally SPLIT into two parts beginning around 2004, a hotel owning part, and a management part, which is the Starwood we are familiar with today, meaning Starwood Management (whatever the formal name is) predominately is not a hotel owner, but is a marketing and management company, and Starwood Hotel Ownership (whatever the formal name is) owns a small grouping (less than 100 IIR) of hotels which were not sold to others.

Marriott usually owns less than 1% of their hotels, but occasionally, such as when they buy another chain or buy a competing hotel owning company in order to bring those hotels under the Marriott umbrella, they might own 2% +/- of their 3,800 hotels, which still amounts to between 75 and 100 hotels, but that does not happen often, and Marriott sells those hotels off as soon as possible, preferably with 10-30 year management contracts in place at time of sale.

What is your definition of a Marriott? Is a JW Marriott a Marriott? Is Renaissance a Marriott? Is Residence Inn by Marriott a Marriott? Is Courtyard by Marriott a Marriott? Is Ritz Carlton a Marriott? Is Fairfield Inn by Marriott a Marriott? Is Spring Hill Suites a Marriott? Is TownPlace Suites a Marriott? Is Marriott Conference Centers a Marriott? Is Gaylord Hotels a Marriott? I could ask the same question about several more brands, and the answer to all of those questions would be yes. All of the above brands/chains is a Marriott hotel brand, and most of the hotels comprising each brand/chain are managed by Marriott International. Gaylord Hotels are an example of a chain which was recently purchased by Marriott, and the hotels in that chain will probably be mostly sold off within a year, all with management contracts in place for long term management of each hotel by Marriott International.

EDIT: Marriott bought the Gaylord brand and the Gaylord hotel management company, with long term management contracts on the hotels, but not the actual physical Real Estate, which at the same time as the Marriott purchase completed was transferred to a Real Estate Investment Trust by merger, and is now known as Ryman.



FlyerTalk (FT) is a place for people to learn. It is not always an easy community to be a member of, but if you carefully think through what you are posting, and you return to your postings at least twice per day to see if there are questions for you to answer, and you are sincere in your postings, generally, you will not have trouble here. On the flip side, if you post haphazardly, without thinking your posts through, and you post and then disappear for a day or two, you will not be happy with the reactions and results. The trick to FT is honest sharing, pure and simple, and to be a vibrant community of honest sharers, FT needs as much honest participation as possible. Is that fair?

Don't let it bring you down dude... We're all in the same boat and most folks here are sincerely trying to help each other (now if you posted something like this on the AA board, you'd probably not even want to come back!! :p) In any case, the more info you can provide about an issue you had with a property, the more productive your responses will be.

I seriously didn't know about Courtyard properties being privately owned and managed either until I walked into the El Segundo (LAX) Courtyard a few years back where I normally used to stay for IT training in the area and there was a sign posted that said something like "Courtyard by Marriott managed by XXXXX properties LTD". I'm not sure if that was announcing a change in ownership or not... this particular Courtyard was really starting to show it's age, although the staff was particularly attentive, friendly, and outgoing.

Think about this....
In the thread you started about bedbugs at IHG....
1) you were quite specific as to the problem
2) you updated the thread as appropriate

In that post, others knew what you were talking about, and could offer advice. In THIS thread, we still don't know what problems occurred that caused you to post...even though you have now posted twice.

And to be honest, your latest post created questions, too - as no one understands your 2nd point re disappointment. A Courtyard IS a Marriott...

So I ask again - truly without ridicule- WHAT HAPPENED?

I missed your long post on various quotes.

OK, I missed the "graciously acknowledging the error" post. Apology.