Marriott hotels that participate in loyalty program in addition to Bonvoy
Mar 21, 2019, 9:26 pm
#17
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I hear this a lot on the forum, but this is obviously not how it works for anything other than the limited service (and lower end full service hotels) in the US. I’ll usually have some kind of note or gift awaiting me in the room which demonstrates that it was pre-selected...
Apr 9, 2019, 5:20 am
#18
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Russia - Exclusive Collection
Greetings from Russia! I am a loyal (ex SPG Plat) Titanium Bonvoy member spending two weeks here, staying at the Hotel National in Moscow and a Marriott in another city. I just received a strange email (see attached). The franchise holder seems to have their own loyalty scheme that transcends multiple brands. Below is a (google) translation of the email. This seems very, very bizarre to me, I wonder what Marriott's official line about this would be? Maybe a Marriott lurker will elect to take this further.
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Dear BEDASAKA, hello!
We will be glad to place in your name a VIP card The Exclusive Collection, which provides privileges in 13 hotels of the world name: Marriott, Hilton, Renaissance and Holiday Inn. For you there are 7 hotels in Moscow, a hotel in Sochi (Krasnaya Polyana), Volgograd, Minsk, Astana, St. Petersburg and Yerevan (Armenia).
Please write me when I can contact you on the issue of issuing a card and by what number?
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Dear BEDASAKA, hello!
We will be glad to place in your name a VIP card The Exclusive Collection, which provides privileges in 13 hotels of the world name: Marriott, Hilton, Renaissance and Holiday Inn. For you there are 7 hotels in Moscow, a hotel in Sochi (Krasnaya Polyana), Volgograd, Minsk, Astana, St. Petersburg and Yerevan (Armenia).
Please write me when I can contact you on the issue of issuing a card and by what number?
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Apr 10, 2019, 8:23 am
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This is very weird, but not unheard of. I raised this issue a few weeks ago. See here:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...an-bonvoy.html
Perhaps the moderator can merge this thread into the existing thread.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...an-bonvoy.html
Perhaps the moderator can merge this thread into the existing thread.
Apr 10, 2019, 8:41 am
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It reminds me of the situation with Prince Hotels (mostly in Japan).
Apr 10, 2019, 8:55 am
#21
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Looks quite common.
Usually these membership wont change the eligibility of a eligible stays to credit their stay to the actual brands respective loyalty program.
I believe Four Seasons Bali have similar program that valid for both Sayan and Jimbaran property.
Also, Kempinski Jakarta have similar program that valid only at Kempinski Jakarta. The stay booked under this is still eligible for night credit at Kempinsky's own Discovery program.
Usually these membership wont change the eligibility of a eligible stays to credit their stay to the actual brands respective loyalty program.
I believe Four Seasons Bali have similar program that valid for both Sayan and Jimbaran property.
Also, Kempinski Jakarta have similar program that valid only at Kempinski Jakarta. The stay booked under this is still eligible for night credit at Kempinsky's own Discovery program.
Apr 10, 2019, 9:00 am
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Looks quite common.
Usually these membership wont change the eligibility of a eligible stays to credit their stay to the actual brands respective loyalty program.
I believe Four Seasons Bali have similar program that valid for both Sayan and Jimbaran property.
Also, Kempinski Jakarta have similar program that valid only at Kempinski Jakarta. The stay booked under this is still eligible for night credit at Kempinsky's own Discovery program.
Usually these membership wont change the eligibility of a eligible stays to credit their stay to the actual brands respective loyalty program.
I believe Four Seasons Bali have similar program that valid for both Sayan and Jimbaran property.
Also, Kempinski Jakarta have similar program that valid only at Kempinski Jakarta. The stay booked under this is still eligible for night credit at Kempinsky's own Discovery program.
I've seen a couple of franchise agreements between Marriott and hotel owners and they give Marriott exclusivity. I'm not sure how a secondary marketing program that includes competing brands gives Marriott exclusivity.
It's one thing if it's a non-branded independent hotel that is also tied in with a Marriott-branded hotel. It's something else when a local program includes competing brands.
Apr 10, 2019, 10:46 am
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Apr 10, 2019, 11:33 am
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I'm sure the agreements involving these brands are looser than say a property branded under Marriott or Renaissance. I believe one of the key components of the agreement is that these properties cannot be booked through another brand or program's booking channels.
Apr 10, 2019, 11:48 am
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What's the difference between this and, for example, a Kempinski also being part of Leading Hotels of the World?
Or, closer to home, a Design Hotel that's opted into Marriott also being a member of, er, Design Hotels?
These are just marketing programmes to push room sales at independently-owned and managed hotels including Marriott's programmes branded Autograph, Design, Tribute Portfolio, Luxury Collection etc.
As for which guest gets priority, well, I'm always super nice and smiley to the front desk when I arrive somewhere rather than rock up with an entitled DYKWIA scowl on my face. I think this, along with revenue and previous stay history, will have more influence on your treatment.
Or, closer to home, a Design Hotel that's opted into Marriott also being a member of, er, Design Hotels?
These are just marketing programmes to push room sales at independently-owned and managed hotels including Marriott's programmes branded Autograph, Design, Tribute Portfolio, Luxury Collection etc.
As for which guest gets priority, well, I'm always super nice and smiley to the front desk when I arrive somewhere rather than rock up with an entitled DYKWIA scowl on my face. I think this, along with revenue and previous stay history, will have more influence on your treatment.
Design hotels often have better rates on their own website because the Starriott website seems to offer only a standard rate, not AAA/senior/government/etc. and not various special offers or package rates. Nevertheless you must book through Starriott to earn nights and points.
Apr 10, 2019, 10:39 pm
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It's something different because it includes Hilton and IHG properties.
I've seen a couple of franchise agreements between Marriott and hotel owners and they give Marriott exclusivity. I'm not sure how a secondary marketing program that includes competing brands gives Marriott exclusivity.
It's one thing if it's a non-branded independent hotel that is also tied in with a Marriott-branded hotel. It's something else when a local program includes competing brands.
I've seen a couple of franchise agreements between Marriott and hotel owners and they give Marriott exclusivity. I'm not sure how a secondary marketing program that includes competing brands gives Marriott exclusivity.
It's one thing if it's a non-branded independent hotel that is also tied in with a Marriott-branded hotel. It's something else when a local program includes competing brands.
Some countries may even require foreign companies to have local partners who have majority control (and say on how things are run) in order to do business there.