Marriott opening 1700 new hotels by 2021
Mar 18, 2019, 7:17 pm
#16
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Not every city in the world can support a Ritz Carlton, JW Marriott or Luxury Collection property.
My travel patterns take me from the big cities to the smaller ones where you are lucky to get any branded properties at all.
Avoiding Marriott these days has allowed me experience great service from a new Holiday Inn (would put a five-star property to shame) and couple of Preferred Rewards properties as well as a two small boutique hotels. This allows be to avoid the frustration with the useless customer service agents and the terrible website and app.
My travel patterns take me from the big cities to the smaller ones where you are lucky to get any branded properties at all.
Avoiding Marriott these days has allowed me experience great service from a new Holiday Inn (would put a five-star property to shame) and couple of Preferred Rewards properties as well as a two small boutique hotels. This allows be to avoid the frustration with the useless customer service agents and the terrible website and app.
whats wrong with their app though? I find their iOS apps for iPad and phone to be quite good and far superior to their website
Mar 18, 2019, 7:41 pm
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By my count, the overwhelming majority will be limited service. There are 400+ Fairfields in development alone.
The money is in limited service! Beyond Marriott, banks are reluctant to finance high end properties. For example, there is a great development planned for a W in the Algarve that was supposed to have opened last fall but hasn't broken ground ... presumably because they can't get financing to build.
The money is in limited service! Beyond Marriott, banks are reluctant to finance high end properties. For example, there is a great development planned for a W in the Algarve that was supposed to have opened last fall but hasn't broken ground ... presumably because they can't get financing to build.
Mar 18, 2019, 8:40 pm
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By my count, the overwhelming majority will be limited service. There are 400+ Fairfields in development alone.
The money is in limited service! Beyond Marriott, banks are reluctant to finance high end properties. For example, there is a great development planned for a W in the Algarve that was supposed to have opened last fall but hasn't broken ground ... presumably because they can't get financing to build.
The money is in limited service! Beyond Marriott, banks are reluctant to finance high end properties. For example, there is a great development planned for a W in the Algarve that was supposed to have opened last fall but hasn't broken ground ... presumably because they can't get financing to build.
Would love to see some new EDITION properties added to the mix. IMO this is the best brand in the Marriott portfolio.
Mar 18, 2019, 8:41 pm
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Of course not, but more Ritz-Carlton, J.W. Marriott and St. Regis properties can open in Asia because the cost of labor in these markets is much lower than in Europe or North America.
Mar 18, 2019, 8:50 pm
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I hope they open more STR, LC, and JWs in Asia, especially resort locations! Those are what is keeping me staying at Marriott in near-term. Throw in some in Africa and I'll be happy. To be fair, Marriott's development plans are top of class. I m just surprised at how they went cheap on IT
Mar 18, 2019, 10:23 pm
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Marriott Australia.
I am no expert in Europe but Marriott are certainly expanding in Australia.
Last year they opened a Westin in Perth with a Ritz Carlton to come.
They are building a Westin in Darwin.
They are building a W and Four Points in Sydney, although they will lose the Westin.
They opened two new hotels in Brisbane in 2018, a W and a Westin.
They have 4 hotels in Melbourne, with a further 8 being built or planned.
This is not a comprehensive list, just meant to illustrate the expansion, which is most welcome.
Last year they opened a Westin in Perth with a Ritz Carlton to come.
They are building a Westin in Darwin.
They are building a W and Four Points in Sydney, although they will lose the Westin.
They opened two new hotels in Brisbane in 2018, a W and a Westin.
They have 4 hotels in Melbourne, with a further 8 being built or planned.
This is not a comprehensive list, just meant to illustrate the expansion, which is most welcome.
Mar 19, 2019, 4:33 am
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Why shouldn't they? MR is the biggest global hotel chain with the biggest loyalty program (which converts to people that have some incentive to actually frequent your property). Since MR Bonvoy isn't as rewarding as it could be from a traveller perspective, the provision of elite benefits will not significantly impact your PnL (from an investor's perspective). So I think MR - from a hotel developer and manager perspective - has a lot of positves.
Why stop at 30? Let’s make it 40 or 50 so we can make the breakfast benefit even more indecipherable!
Isn’t there a FourPts and a Design Hotel there?
Mar 19, 2019, 5:05 am
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This is deeply unfortunate. There is literally nothing that excites me about staying at a Courtyard or a Fairfield. In fact, the majority of the select service portfolio is just so blahhh. The only SS brand that is of any interest to me is AC, and it's because they seem to consistently deliver a good, modern product. When I think Courtyard or Fairfield I think high school athletics teams, clubs, old people visiting relatives, families driving from New Jersey to Florida, etc.
Would love to see some new EDITION properties added to the mix. IMO this is the best brand in the Marriott portfolio.
Would love to see some new EDITION properties added to the mix. IMO this is the best brand in the Marriott portfolio.
more high school athletic team members, families doing road trips (or increasingly international trips from China, India and Africa), and frugal young travelers and such than jetsetters that can spend $500 a night on rooms and $150 a night on dinner and drinks at the Barcelona Edition. The fact is that ignoring the limited service segment is exactly the reason that everyone’s beloved Starwood eventually had to sell itself
Mar 19, 2019, 5:10 am
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Mar 19, 2019, 6:10 am
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I love Edition too, but demographically, there are many times
more high school athletic team members, families doing road trips (or increasingly international trips from China, India and Africa), and frugal young travelers and such than jetsetters that can spend $500 a night on rooms and $150 a night on dinner and drinks at the Barcelona Edition. The fact is that ignoring the limited service segment is exactly the reason that everyone’s beloved Starwood eventually had to sell itself
Mar 19, 2019, 6:14 am
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I guess we will see if they can indeed add this many properties and what kind of properties they will be. The pessimist in me that's taking everything Marriott does and says with a grain of salt expects the majority of these to be FI and CY that will end up being Category 5's or above since they will be new. The optimist hopes that it's some nice high-end properties that I can book to work down my account balance even more.