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roberto767 Jan 7, 2026 10:30 am


Originally Posted by jags86 (Post 37523019)
Sorry if I wasn't clear:

I had 4x SS Pathward VGC with me:

Card 1: it drained
Card 2: it drained
Card 3: Denied later found out to be locked
Card 4: Denied later found out to be locked

Asked to cancel transaction and start over -- I thought maybe the POS couldn't handle 3 swipes so I would just go back and swipe Card 3 or 4 since they had enough for the full transaction.

Card 1: refunded and locked
Card 2: refunded and locked
Card 3: denied/locked
Card 4: denied/locked

Had to pay with my regular CC lol

And then the worst part is when they all came in the mail, I went to use Card 4 which had $500 on it on my utility bill--I have had success on this many times--and it got locked again.

Easy to avoid this. Don't drain the full $500. Even $499 should be no problem.

SailorJoe Jan 7, 2026 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by roberto767 (Post 37523538)
Easy to avoid this. Don't drain the full $500. Even $499 should be no problem.

I've had a slightly more nuanced experience. I can drain 499 of any one card in any one transaction. Second or third InComm in same transaction sometimes causes issues for me too. I have a couple of different debits I can load, and I find that loading 2 or 3 debits from 2 or 3 different InComms seems to work. $499 vs. full $500 depends on where you get them. Bought at a brick-n-mortar store, $499. Bought on-line directly from inComm (their direct site, Simon, etc.) seem to be ok for full $500.

That's just my experience. YMMV

roberto767 Jan 7, 2026 5:57 pm


Originally Posted by SailorJoe (Post 37523907)
I've had a slightly more nuanced experience. I can drain 499 of any one card in any one transaction. Second or third InComm in same transaction sometimes causes issues for me too. I have a couple of different debits I can load, and I find that loading 2 or 3 debits from 2 or 3 different InComms seems to work. $499 vs. full $500 depends on where you get them. Bought at a brick-n-mortar store, $499. Bought on-line directly from inComm (their direct site, Simon, etc.) seem to be ok for full $500.

That's just my experience. YMMV

Your experience mirrors what I've experienced exactly. When you say "2 or 3 different Incomms," do you mean different types of Incomm cards (brick and mortar vs online)? I have not bought any of the online ones.

theroz Jan 8, 2026 8:35 am


Originally Posted by jags86 (Post 37521767)
I have some Pathward SS Visas what a bunch of garbage. First, I was using them in person at the grocery store. I had several with <$50 and the store auto drains so I was getting rid of 3 and then paying the final with a new $500. Every swipe after the 2nd locked the proceeding cards. I call and have to get 3 new cards in the mail which takes like 14 days to show up. I go to use the $500 to prepay my gas/electric bill and the replacement card gets locked immediately. I call again and now they'll "expedite" a replacement which I should receive in 3-5 business days. It's becoming harder and harder to even use these things legitimately.

when ever I run into this I ask for and get a check sent to me, never got a replacement card, but it can take a month or 2 till then check arrives

golfr Jan 8, 2026 9:02 am

Had 3 cards locked. One of the agents I spoke with must have felt bad for me. He told me he would expedite the replacement card. It came in a fedex envelope in 3 business days. Still waiting on 1 card to arrive by regular mail.

jags86 Jan 8, 2026 9:52 am


Originally Posted by theroz (Post 37525429)
when ever I run into this I ask for and get a check sent to me, never got a replacement card, but it can take a month or 2 till then check arrives

You're saying they will liquidate the GC for you? Wouldn't you just purposely try to break every card then?

cuthroat Jan 8, 2026 10:47 am


Originally Posted by golfr (Post 37525486)
Had 3 cards locked. One of the agents I spoke with must have felt bad for me. He told me he would expedite the replacement card. It came in a fedex envelope in 3 business days. Still waiting on 1 card to arrive by regular mail.

You can ask for FedEx shipping every time.

I just say: "Since my card/cards are $500 or more can you expedite the shipping through FedEx."

bdwyfan Jan 8, 2026 11:20 am


Originally Posted by theroz (Post 37525429)
when ever I run into this I ask for and get a check sent to me, never got a replacement card, but it can take a month or 2 till then check arrives

Don't you ever worry about it getting stolen or lost?
I just saw on the news a woman whose mail was being systematically stolen --- SS check, new debit card, ...

bdwyfan Jan 8, 2026 11:20 am


Originally Posted by cuthroat (Post 37525730)
You can ask for FedEx shipping every time.

I just say: "Since my card/cards are $500 or more can you expedite the shipping through FedEx."

Thanks I'll try that next time.

theroz Jan 8, 2026 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by jags86 (Post 37525602)
You're saying they will liquidate the GC for you? Wouldn't you just purposely try to break every card then?

Liquidate? what they do is CX the card and mail the value of the card thats remaining, if it happens too often they may not work with you on it, so its not something Id especially do

theroz Jan 8, 2026 1:18 pm


Originally Posted by bdwyfan (Post 37525812)
Don't you ever worry about it getting stolen or lost?
I just saw on the news a woman whose mail was being systematically stolen --- SS check, new debit card, ...

no problem they can check and see if its been cashed and if by you or not, and if not by you its the same as someone stealing the card info and buying stuff with it

SailorJoe Jan 8, 2026 1:52 pm


Originally Posted by roberto767 (Post 37524374)
Your experience mirrors what I've experienced exactly. When you say "2 or 3 different Incomms," do you mean different types of Incomm cards (brick and mortar vs online)? I have not bought any of the online ones.

No, not different types. I pretty much only buy online cards, since the ones from brick-n-mortar have such aggressive anti-fraud that they lock up too often. However, these days, I find that even the on-line ones are dangerous to run more than a single card in the same transaction. So, say I want to burn 4x500 from the same exact online source. I have 4 different debit cards I can load for free. i got to WM and as long as one of my very friendly regulars is working, I load 1 InComm + 1 BHN on each of the 4 cards. That way, it's one InComm per transaction, 1 BHN per transaction. This works for me. Regarding brick-n-mortar InComms, I follow this same pattern but only drain $499 of the InComm. They still get fraud locked sometimes, but running 2 in the same xact almost always results in a fraud lock.

Prometheus77 Jan 8, 2026 2:01 pm


Originally Posted by SailorJoe (Post 37526144)
No, not different types. I pretty much only buy online cards, since the ones from brick-n-mortar have such aggressive anti-fraud that they lock up too often. However, these days, I find that even the on-line ones are dangerous to run more than a single card in the same transaction. So, say I want to burn 4x500 from the same exact online source. I have 4 different debit cards I can load for free. i got to WM and as long as one of my very friendly regulars is working, I load 1 InComm + 1 BHN on each of the 4 cards. That way, it's one InComm per transaction, 1 BHN per transaction. This works for me. Regarding brick-n-mortar InComms, I follow this same pattern but only drain $499 of the InComm. They still get fraud locked sometimes, but running 2 in the same xact almost always results in a fraud lock.

What BHN $500 card are you using at WM? I have had zero success loading with BHN cards at my WMs for any more than $99 per swipe.

roberto767 Jan 8, 2026 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by SailorJoe (Post 37526144)
No, not different types. I pretty much only buy online cards, since the ones from brick-n-mortar have such aggressive anti-fraud that they lock up too often. However, these days, I find that even the on-line ones are dangerous to run more than a single card in the same transaction. So, say I want to burn 4x500 from the same exact online source. I have 4 different debit cards I can load for free. i got to WM and as long as one of my very friendly regulars is working, I load 1 InComm + 1 BHN on each of the 4 cards. That way, it's one InComm per transaction, 1 BHN per transaction. This works for me. Regarding brick-n-mortar InComms, I follow this same pattern but only drain $499 of the InComm. They still get fraud locked sometimes, but running 2 in the same xact almost always results in a fraud lock.

​​​​​​Which credit card gives you a decent amount of points when buying GCs online? I buy mine at 7 Eleven since I get 8 x points on one of my credit cards at gas stations, and 7 Eleven codes as gas, even if there are no pumps.

SailorJoe Jan 8, 2026 5:17 pm


Originally Posted by Prometheus77 (Post 37526167)
What BHN $500 card are you using at WM? I have had zero success loading with BHN cards at my WMs for any more than $99 per swipe.

No good $500 ones. However, there are good options. 200s at office stores, occasionally 250s at giftcards.com. Anything from Giftcards.com needs to be ran in <$100 swipes though. Search around these forums to see the details of different office store cards. InComms are good for 500. I've also found it's ok to run multiple BHNs in a single transaction. So, depending on how friendly the CSR I'm working with is, I might do 3 swipes into my Discover (500 InComm + 2 BHNs). I do 500+200 into my Serve Amex (that's the load limit) and a single 500 into my serve Visa (again, the load limit).

SailorJoe Jan 8, 2026 5:22 pm


Originally Posted by roberto767 (Post 37526224)
​​​​​​Which credit card gives you a decent amount of points when buying GCs online? I buy mine at 7 Eleven since I get 8 x points on one of my credit cards at gas stations, and 7 Eleven codes as gas, even if there are no pumps.

I envy you. No 7-11 will allow me to buy GC with CC anymore. They all say "Cash Only". Same with Speedway since 7-11 bought them out too. Gas stations are completely dried up in my area. No great multipliers for online GCs. 2X is the max I've found, and there are plenty of options for that. The key is I can do a single xact for 19 cards online. At 2X that's 19k points. Not huge, but it's something. Super helpful for SUBs, and minimum spend requirements on CCs that make you hit a limit to get certain bennies (e.g. lounge access, upgraded status, etc.).

roberto767 Jan 9, 2026 9:39 am


Originally Posted by SailorJoe (Post 37526486)
I envy you. No 7-11 will allow me to buy GC with CC anymore. They all say "Cash Only". Same with Speedway since 7-11 bought them out too. Gas stations are completely dried up in my area. No great multipliers for online GCs. 2X is the max I've found, and there are plenty of options for that. The key is I can do a single xact for 19 cards online. At 2X that's 19k points. Not huge, but it's something. Super helpful for SUBs, and minimum spend requirements on CCs that make you hit a limit to get certain bennies (e.g. lounge access, upgraded status, etc.).

A lot of 7 Elevens are cash/debit only. But I've noticed that at the ones that are owned/run by Indians, they don't seem to mind if I use a credit card. I think (some of them at least) may be franchises, and it's up to the owner if they'll take a credit card for GC purchases. I luckily have multiple stores that I can buy them at in my area. So the max gift card amount you can buy online is $200?what are the fees on those (if any)?

dalvigirish Jan 9, 2026 7:34 pm


Originally Posted by roberto767 (Post 37527761)
A lot of 7 Elevens are cash/debit only. But I've noticed that at the ones that are owned/run by Indians, they don't seem to mind if I use a credit card. I think (some of them at least) may be franchises, and it's up to the owner if they'll take a credit card for GC purchases. I luckily have multiple stores that I can buy them at in my area. So the max gift card amount you can buy online is $200?what are the fees on those (if any)?

You can buy gift card from thegiftcardshop.com. the max is $500 for each with limit of 20 cards. They run the promotion with no fees most of the time. You need to pay shipping fee.

SailorJoe Jan 10, 2026 8:11 am


Originally Posted by roberto767 (Post 37527761)
A lot of 7 Elevens are cash/debit only. But I've noticed that at the ones that are owned/run by Indians, they don't seem to mind if I use a credit card. I think (some of them at least) may be franchises, and it's up to the owner if they'll take a credit card for GC purchases. I luckily have multiple stores that I can buy them at in my area. So the max gift card amount you can buy online is $200?what are the fees on those (if any)?

InComm online are usually $500 though many people are able to get $1000 through Simon (I never got them to approve me :-/). giftcards.com is online BHN and you can get $250, but they have to be drained in 3 swipes usually, each <100. Search for posts by me to learn a lot about the office store options, all at $200 (if you want to take advantage of the sales and Chase Ink 5x).

bdwyfan Jan 10, 2026 8:17 am


Originally Posted by SailorJoe (Post 37529547)
InComm online are usually $500 though many people are able to get $1000 through Simon (I never got them to approve me :-/). giftcards.com is online BHN and you can get $250, but they have to be drained in 3 swipes usually, each <100. Search for posts by me to learn a lot about the office store options, all at $200 (if you want to take advantage of the sales and Chase Ink 5x).

Simon Malls stopped selling gift cards.
Their gc sales redirects to PerfectGift.com
I haven't read too much online about PG.

SailorJoe Jan 10, 2026 8:23 am


Originally Posted by bdwyfan (Post 37529554)
Simon Malls stopped selling gift cards.
Their gc sales redirects to PerfectGift.com
I haven't read too much online about PG.

Ah, I see. I've used PefectGift.com before, though not that much. Their cards drain just fine. They're interesting though, not BHN or InComm. New processor on the scene.

bdwyfan Jan 10, 2026 8:33 am


Originally Posted by SailorJoe (Post 37529558)
Ah, I see. I've used PefectGift.com before, though not that much. Their cards drain just fine. They're interesting though, not BHN or InComm. New processor on the scene.

Yeah.
The website says that the parent company also owns GiftCards.com
The gc are issued by Sutton but no mention of the processor.

Shipping by USPS First Class mail is $1.99/card no tracking or by FedEx is $9.95

golfr Jan 14, 2026 7:36 pm

To follow up. I got a response from CFPB.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...73124c52f7.png
I got all my cards and drained them. Will not touch Pathward product going forward.

roberto767 Jan 14, 2026 9:37 pm


Originally Posted by golfr (Post 37538597)
To follow up. I got a response from CFPB.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...73124c52f7.png
I got all my cards and drained them. Will not touch Pathward product going forward.

Why did you file a complaint?

bdwyfan Jan 15, 2026 7:53 am


Originally Posted by golfr (Post 37538597)
I got all my cards and drained them. Will not touch Pathward product going forward.

Do you mean all your cards were drained?

Many years ago I had a $500 VGC drained.
I think it may have been my fault.
I had checked the balance on a rogue website instead of using the website on the back of the VGC.

I called the number on the back.
They opened up a case.
I provided them with photos of the receipt showing purchase of the VGC, front of VGC, back of VGC.
They sent a replacement within 2-3 weeks.
It was my first time getting a replacement, and it worked.
I have had replacements sent since then. All their fault for locking the VGCs.
But each time they did replace.



golfr Jan 15, 2026 8:20 am


Originally Posted by roberto767 (Post 37538738)
Why did you file a complaint?

Because I don't take kindly to having my money taken hostage under the disguise of "security concerns". They blame their algorithm on locking the cards. I did not call to report the card lost or stolen. My hope is either they change the way they service these cards or Pathward not issuing them at all.

bdwyfan Jan 15, 2026 8:53 am


Originally Posted by golfr (Post 37539448)
Because I don't take kindly to having my money taken hostage under the disguise of "security concerns". They blame their algorithm on locking the cards. I did not call to report the card lost or stolen. My hope is either they change the way they service these cards or Pathward not issuing them at all.

You wrote that your cards were drained which implies fraud.
Locking is not the same as draining.
But it seems you meant you used up all the replacement cards.

Lockups are a part of this game unfortunately.

With my most recent lockup, they blamed VISA. LOL.
They told me that because it was VISA's fault, they could not unlock the locked VGC and must issue me a new VGC. :rolleyes:

fly2fish Jan 15, 2026 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by roberto767 (Post 37526224)
​​​​​​...I get 8 x points on one of my credit cards at gas stations, and 7 Eleven codes as gas, even if there are no pumps.

Assuming you're talking about Wyndham points. Curious what you're spending them on now that Vacasa is gone?

Prometheus77 Jan 18, 2026 8:03 am


Originally Posted by fly2fish (Post 37540244)
Assuming you're talking about Wyndham points. Curious what you're spending them on now that Vacasa is gone?

I use them for the timeshare units in Bonnet Creek, Scottsdale, and Vegas. Good redemption for my purposes when available. Especially when the points are super easy to earn buying VGCs at gas stations.

bdwyfan Jan 18, 2026 8:38 am


Originally Posted by fly2fish (Post 37540244)
Assuming you're talking about Wyndham points. Curious what you're spending them on now that Vacasa is gone?

The ex-Citi SYW --- now Citi TY MasterCard --- lets you redeem TY points at 1:1 for statement credit
if you have another Citi credit card such as the Custom Cash or Double Cash.

If you buy 2x $500 VGC at a gas station that will let you buy them with a credit card,
you get ($80 - activation fees + 5% TYP) which works out to about $115 depending on the activation fees.

fly2fish Jan 18, 2026 9:07 am


Originally Posted by Prometheus77 (Post 37545248)
I use them for the timeshare units in Bonnet Creek, Scottsdale, and Vegas. Good redemption for my purposes when available. Especially when the points are super easy to earn buying VGCs at gas stations.

Thanks for answering, didn't mean to go off topic, but I'm always interested in how people spend their Wyndham points since they tend to get so much hate.

fly2fish Jan 18, 2026 9:09 am


Originally Posted by bdwyfan (Post 37545287)
The ex-Citi SYW --- now Citi TY MasterCard --- lets you redeem TY points at 1:1 for statement credit
if you have another Citi credit card such as the Custom Cash or Double Cash.

If you buy 2x $500 VGC at a gas station that will let you buy them with a credit card,
you get ($80 - activation fees + 5% TYP) which works out to about $115 depending on the activation fees.

I'm sorry, you lost me, how does this answer my question about how to spend Wyndham points?

bdwyfan Jan 18, 2026 9:12 am


Originally Posted by fly2fish (Post 37545327)
I'm sorry, you lost me, how does this answer my question about how to spend Wyndham points?

The person who answered you was NOT the person you asked about the Wyndham points.

I am not sure why you assumed everybody had Wyndham points.

fly2fish Jan 18, 2026 9:18 am


Originally Posted by bdwyfan (Post 37545336)
The person who answered you was NOT the person you asked about the Wyndham points.

I realize that. Not sure what difference it makes to you?


Originally Posted by bdwyfan (Post 37545336)
I am not sure why you assumed everybody had Wyndham points.

I don't assume anyone has Wyndham points. What I can and do assume is that when someone gets 8 points per dollar at gas stations, they're using a Wyndham Biz card.

Still doesn't answer why you were going on about Citi or whatever.

bdwyfan Jan 18, 2026 9:23 am


Originally Posted by fly2fish (Post 37545339)
I realize that. Not sure what difference it makes to you?



I don't assume anyone has Wyndham points. What I can and do assume is that when someone gets 8 points per dollar at gas stations, they're using a Wyndham Biz card.

Still doesn't answer why you were going on about Citi or whatever.

LOL.
Okay. Whatever.
I explained to you how I get 8x with gas and it is NOT with a Wyndham biz.
I actually get 11x altogether.

I was told a long time ago, assume = a$$ out of u and me


jeffersun Jan 18, 2026 10:04 am


Originally Posted by bdwyfan (Post 37545352)
LOL.
Okay. Whatever.
I explained to you how I get 8x with gas and it is NOT with a Wyndham biz.
I actually get 11x altogether.

I was told a long time ago, assume = a$$ out of u and me

I make the exact same assumption as fly2fish, and it's easy to make here because it's the only card with 8x gas. It's very simple. Just like I can assume a thread is going to get totally derailed when a certain name appears.

bdwyfan Jan 18, 2026 10:28 am


Originally Posted by jeffersun (Post 37545412)
I make the exact same assumption as fly2fish, and it's easy to make here because it's the only card with 8x gas. It's very simple. Just like I can assume a thread is going to get totally derailed when a certain name appears.

LOL

You again. May be you should try learning something instead of "assuming".

LOL

I was told never assume, but some people never was taught that lesson, and make themselves look very foolish.

jeffersun Jan 18, 2026 10:30 am


Originally Posted by bdwyfan (Post 37545448)
LOL

You again.

LOL

I was told never assume, but some people never was taught that lesson, and make themselves look very foolish.

assumption proven. will there be a third edit to correct your grammar?

bdwyfan Jan 18, 2026 10:31 am


Originally Posted by jeffersun (Post 37545450)
assumption proven. will there be a third edit to correct your grammar?

LOL.

You stalking me or do you have something to contribute.

jeffersun Jan 18, 2026 10:39 am


Originally Posted by bdwyfan (Post 37545453)
LOL.

You stalking me or do you have something to contribute.

You're in every single thread muddying up what should be very straightforward and constructive conversation. I pop onto FT like once a month to see if the ODOM sale is on. Maybe check if anyone has had a liquidation failure lately, but it has become exceedingly difficult because every thread has 2-3 pages of bwdyfan bickering with everyone.


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