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Schnit Jul 5, 2023 1:16 pm


Originally Posted by xinux (Post 35388741)
My buddy recently told me that Chase shut down all the accounts of his significant other (SO). He's kinda been pushing the envelope with Chase, so he kinda saw it coming.

He shared a few possible reasons why it might have happened:
  1. Transferring UR points between accounts. He called Chase customer service to link his Ultimate Rewards account with his SO’s, even though they had different addresses. The rep went ahead, linked them, and even transferred 10k points for him. My friend was a bundle of nerves and even chatted about it on an online forum.
  2. Cashing out Membership Rewards through an AC account. This also seems like a big red flag. He cashed out a whopping 700k MR plus an additional 120k points from the card. It’s been a few months since he did this, but he's wondering if this is them getting back at him.
  3. Heavy purchasing activity. He was using his SO’s CSR card quite aggressively, which set off a fraud alert. His SO, not knowing what was going on, replied ‘no, I don’t recognize this charge’. Though they later called to say it wasn’t fraud, my friend thinks this might have led to someone manually reviewing the account, and maybe they noticed point 2.
  4. PPBP transactions. His last PPBP was just a day before the shutdown, so he's speculating if that’s related. But he thinks it shouldn’t be the case since it was a small amount and both PayPal and the card belonged to his SO. He mentioned that he has done way bigger transactions on his own without any issues.

Right now, the checking and savings accounts are still good, but all the credit cards, including business cards, are shut down. My buddy did manage to transfer the UR points to Hyatt before the shutdown. His SO isn't into the whole credit card points scene and didn't know half of what was happening, so they're not even going to try and get the accounts reinstated.

I believe #2 created a number of shutdowns, but not sure why it would have been so delayed. You would think their system would have caught it if that was the reason

Clueless12 Jul 6, 2023 8:45 am


Originally Posted by xinux (Post 35388741)
My buddy recently told me that Chase shut down all the accounts of his significant other (SO). He's kinda been pushing the envelope with Chase, so he kinda saw it coming.

He shared a few possible reasons why it might have happened:
  1. Transferring UR points between accounts. He called Chase customer service to link his Ultimate Rewards account with his SO’s, even though they had different addresses. The rep went ahead, linked them, and even transferred 10k points for him. My friend was a bundle of nerves and even chatted about it on an online forum.
  2. Cashing out Membership Rewards through an AC account. This also seems like a big red flag. He cashed out a whopping 700k MR plus an additional 120k points from the card. It’s been a few months since he did this, but he's wondering if this is them getting back at him.
  3. Heavy purchasing activity. He was using his SO’s CSR card quite aggressively, which set off a fraud alert. His SO, not knowing what was going on, replied ‘no, I don’t recognize this charge’. Though they later called to say it wasn’t fraud, my friend thinks this might have led to someone manually reviewing the account, and maybe they noticed point 2.
  4. PPBP transactions. His last PPBP was just a day before the shutdown, so he's speculating if that’s related. But he thinks it shouldn’t be the case since it was a small amount and both PayPal and the card belonged to his SO. He mentioned that he has done way bigger transactions on his own without any issues.

Right now, the checking and savings accounts are still good, but all the credit cards, including business cards, are shut down. My buddy did manage to transfer the UR points to Hyatt before the shutdown. His SO isn't into the whole credit card points scene and didn't know half of what was happening, so they're not even going to try and get the accounts reinstated.

He’ll get a letter from them stating the reason. It won’t be detailed, of course, just something generic like “rewards abuse.”

Gitangali Jul 6, 2023 7:38 pm

The banks which are also in the bussiness of providing mortgage for home etc, such as Chase, I wonder when they shut you down, whether they will decline you mortage or not? any DP?

radonc1 Jul 7, 2023 8:27 am


Originally Posted by Gitangali (Post 35392442)
The banks which are also in the bussiness of providing mortgage for home etc, such as Chase, I wonder when they shut you down, whether they will decline you mortage or not? any DP?

The answer is yes, at least for Chase.
There have been DPs for decline on debt related items such as mortgages, although if you owe them money, they will keep those accounts open. If it is on a credit card account, one will not be able to add charges, but only pay off the amount due.

9volt Jul 16, 2023 12:20 pm

Anyone have any DPs on getting back in with Amex after an account shutdown?

tonysmom Jul 16, 2023 5:51 pm

Citi just shut down all my credit card accounts with them.
 
I had a Costco card for years and used it normally. Earlier this year I got a AA miles-up card, and spend about 30k on it. I did VISA gift cards in HT for $1000 each time.

Gitangali Jul 17, 2023 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by tonysmom (Post 35418998)
Citi just shut down all my credit card accounts with them.

That's rude
while gaming the banks, if they all shut down one by one, that could be a problem especially the ones they provide you no fee ever CC such as Citi, Discover, Chase, Amex, wells. All the other ones wouldnt matter anyway. Any DP on this?

The strategy here could be keep the game ON till the last one left assuming they are not going to shut down all in the same month.

tonysmom Jul 18, 2023 11:22 am


Originally Posted by Gitangali (Post 35421672)
That's rude
while gaming the banks, if they all shut down one by one, that could be a problem especially the ones they provide you no fee ever CC such as Citi, Discover, Chase, Amex, wells. All the other ones wouldnt matter anyway. Any DP on this?

The strategy here could be keep the game ON till the last one left assuming they are not going to shut down all in the same month.

If I was doing 300k, I can accept the closure. But it was only 30k!!! Citi sucks

Happy Traveling Consultant Jul 18, 2023 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by tonysmom (Post 35424201)
If I was doing 300k, I can accept the closure. But it was only 30k!!! Citi sucks

Not sure if I should be scared or not...Doing about 10k/mo on Citi purely with SMVGCs... Also churning the card every 48 months for SUB.

But I have multiple other Citi cards that I would not want to lose, so may scale back

radonc1 Jul 18, 2023 4:22 pm


Originally Posted by Happy Traveling Consultant (Post 35424449)
Not sure if I should be scared or not...Doing about 10k/mo on Citi purely with SMVGCs... Also churning the card every 48 months for SUB.

But I have multiple other Citi cards that I would not want to lose, so may scale back

I suspect that it's the other card's business you are doing with Citi that is giving your naughtiness a pass on the one card you are dong MSing on.

However, you never known when you either cross the line or the line changes. If you canot afford to lose the other accounts, you may want to rethink your game ;)

Happy Traveling Consultant Jul 18, 2023 4:29 pm


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 35425077)
I suspect that it's the other card's business you are doing with Citi that is giving your naughtiness a pass on the one card you are dong MSing on.

However, you never known when you either cross the line or the line changes. If you canot afford to lose the other accounts, you may want to rethink your game ;)

Probably - it's a card I've had for more than 20 years and put at least $50k/year on it.

I really do like getting the 120k annually in AA points for so little though, plus the 60-70k every 4 years...

lowkeyflyer Aug 25, 2023 3:38 pm

Chase Datapoints Regarding Maxed Cards
 
I have 4 Inks, 3 of which are completely maxed (to take advantage of the 0%).
The first 3 Inks had a mix of GC but also organic. They only gave me 4-5k limits.

The most recent Ink I was given a $14k limit and I plan to max the whole thing and let it sit for a year. Is this risky?

radonc1 Aug 25, 2023 7:00 pm


Originally Posted by lowkeyflyer (Post 35528453)
I have 4 Inks, 3 of which are completely maxed (to take advantage of the 0%).
The first 3 Inks had a mix of GC but also organic. They only gave me 4-5k limits.

The most recent Ink I was given a $14k limit and I plan to max the whole thing and let it sit for a year. Is this risky?

You have 3 credit cards maxed out with a credit limit of $5K per card or $15K of debt.
I presume that with the 0% deal you got, you are required to make some small payment each month to keep the account current.
The way banks structure deals such as the one you describe is that they charge you the interest on the balance due, minus the small payment you make each month. At the termination of the contract, you make a balloon payment of the outstanding prinicpal and the outstanding interest is forgiven.

The danger is missing a payment. That makes the debt due immediately as well as the accumulating interest. Be careful of that!!

Very easy as long as you don't miss a payment each month, no matter how small, and secondly, that you make the balloon payment in full at the end of the contract.

As long as you have assets to insure payment at the termination of the deal, I doubt that Chase gives a hoot how you spend the money. Since you have maxed out your credit line, they aren't giving you any more money, until you pay down some of it. It may even improve your credit score as long as you make your payments.

But I honestly doubt Chase would shut you down.
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MaxVO Aug 25, 2023 8:05 pm


Originally Posted by lowkeyflyer (Post 35528453)
...The most recent Ink I was given a $14k limit and I plan to max the whole thing and let it sit for a year. Is this risky?

With business cards you may use your full credit line. Doing the same with personal cards would be risky though, and may negatively affect your credit score.

lowkeyflyer Aug 29, 2023 10:51 pm

Any DPs on people getting shut down for point combine? E.g. P2 and P3 both combine point into P1?


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