LH Express / AirRail as part of the travel - can I skip, get off earlier, join later?
Feb 18, 2019, 3:12 am
#91
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Be advised, though, that you can't board or deboard at Bonn HBF. The Express Rail trains (formerly AIRail) coming from Köln stop at a station called Siegburg/Bonn! You'll need a separate ticket for the S-Bahn and/or tram for the short hop between Siegburg/Bonn and your final destination.
Feb 18, 2019, 4:33 am
#92
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Most likely this is what you will be taking
https://www.swb-busundbahn.de/filead...rplaene/66.pdf
Lines 66 & 67 go from Central Bonn to Siegburg.
https://www.swb-busundbahn.de/filead...rplaene/66.pdf
Lines 66 & 67 go from Central Bonn to Siegburg.
Feb 19, 2019, 5:22 am
#93
Join Date: Jun 2009
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LH Express Rail as part of the travel - can I skip?
I saw some older post with regards to this question, but wanted to check what is the latest, if someone knows...
We want to travel to Vilnius (LT) over Ester, and Frankfurt would be the most convenient airport to fly from. However, the flights from FRA to VNO are about 1100€ for the family.
Just for curiosity I checked STR to VNO, and the cost is below 800€, but starting at ZWS (Stuttgart main train station) to FRA and then the same flight to VNO we would take if going from FRA. The Stuttgart - Frankfurt connection is the LH Express Rail, operated by Deutsche Bahn, and I am considering if we could just skip it? Do we HAVE to be on the train to take the flight? And the same for the way back - can we just get our luggage in Frankfurt and go home using different transport, not getting on the train? I guess on the way back there can't be much come back from LH, but would not like to risk denied boarding on the way out.
The other option would be to start from Mannheim, which is actually closest for us, but then the cost for the same train/flight combination goes up to almost 1700€!!!!! Really strange pricing, I would say!
We want to travel to Vilnius (LT) over Ester, and Frankfurt would be the most convenient airport to fly from. However, the flights from FRA to VNO are about 1100€ for the family.
Just for curiosity I checked STR to VNO, and the cost is below 800€, but starting at ZWS (Stuttgart main train station) to FRA and then the same flight to VNO we would take if going from FRA. The Stuttgart - Frankfurt connection is the LH Express Rail, operated by Deutsche Bahn, and I am considering if we could just skip it? Do we HAVE to be on the train to take the flight? And the same for the way back - can we just get our luggage in Frankfurt and go home using different transport, not getting on the train? I guess on the way back there can't be much come back from LH, but would not like to risk denied boarding on the way out.
The other option would be to start from Mannheim, which is actually closest for us, but then the cost for the same train/flight combination goes up to almost 1700€!!!!! Really strange pricing, I would say!
Last edited by gintarec; Feb 19, 2019 at 8:16 am Reason: spelling...
Feb 19, 2019, 6:42 am
#94
Join Date: Jun 2015
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LHs view to that question (are you allowed to skip an Airrail keg) is: No.
But the chance of LH will get aware of you skipping it is very close to zero. Even with a normal DB ticket you often dont get you ticket checked on a train between STR and FRA. Of course you can start/end your trip in Mannheim as well. But should be the same train, just in case you get your ticket checked between Mannheim and FRA (what is unlikely).
And dont worry about your luggage. Its no problem to check-in your luggage at a normal check-in counter even if you have an Airrail leg before.
So the overall risk of an denied boarding is very close to zero. Often done, never heard of someone, who wasnt allowed to board. But theoretically it could happen.
But the chance of LH will get aware of you skipping it is very close to zero. Even with a normal DB ticket you often dont get you ticket checked on a train between STR and FRA. Of course you can start/end your trip in Mannheim as well. But should be the same train, just in case you get your ticket checked between Mannheim and FRA (what is unlikely).
And dont worry about your luggage. Its no problem to check-in your luggage at a normal check-in counter even if you have an Airrail leg before.
So the overall risk of an denied boarding is very close to zero. Often done, never heard of someone, who wasnt allowed to board. But theoretically it could happen.
Feb 19, 2019, 7:15 am
#95
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Check in online and feel free to skip the ZWS-FRA segment. Only note that you should not try to checkin luggage in FRA before the scheduled time of arrival of your feeder train. 
Oct 17, 2019, 4:29 pm
#98
Join Date: Aug 2012
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Skipping the train-leg of a journey
So AustrianAirlines has this AIRRail service of flight-train combos. I'm looking to get to Vienna, and tickets are quite expansive, but if I put Linz as a destination (a small city 2 hours away from Vienna) it's quite cheaper. Basically I'm suppose to land in Vienna then take the train to Linz, all under the same itinerary and ticket.
For the flight coming into Vienna that's not a problem, I'll simply not take the train, and I don't think they will check it. For the coming back, though, I'm just concerned regarding how the check-in takes place and if I can check in online or at Vienna airport, without coming on the train from Linz.This post from 2015claims the airline isn't actually checking if you got on the train and you can come from wherever you want.
Just want to make sure I can check in at the airport. I'm seeing no restrictions or limitations, and it says that there is the option to check in at the train station, but nowhere does it say if I can check-in online/at the airport. Should I assume it's safe to book it then?
For the flight coming into Vienna that's not a problem, I'll simply not take the train, and I don't think they will check it. For the coming back, though, I'm just concerned regarding how the check-in takes place and if I can check in online or at Vienna airport, without coming on the train from Linz.This post from 2015claims the airline isn't actually checking if you got on the train and you can come from wherever you want.
Just want to make sure I can check in at the airport. I'm seeing no restrictions or limitations, and it says that there is the option to check in at the train station, but nowhere does it say if I can check-in online/at the airport. Should I assume it's safe to book it then?
Feb 7, 2020, 8:47 pm
#100
Join Date: Jan 2020
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skiplegging DB from Lufthansa + Deutsche Bahn offer
Hello there,
I am thinking of booking a flight with Lufthansa, FRA - OTP - FRA.
However, DTM - FRA - OTP - FRA - DTM is much cheaper.
Here comes the interesting part: the segment DTM - FRA and FRA - DTM is completed by train, not by flight. (technically, this is not DTM but DTZ).
The segment FRA - OTP - FRA is, ofcourse, completed by an aircraft.
Lufthansa is selling the tickets.
Question: Can I skiplegged the train segment (DTM - FRA) ?
How can Lufthansa know if I actually completed the segment since there is no check-in in the train.
I need advice from someone who actually completed such a trip with/without skiplegging the DB segment.
Looking forward to your answers.
Kind Regards,
Stefan
I am thinking of booking a flight with Lufthansa, FRA - OTP - FRA.
However, DTM - FRA - OTP - FRA - DTM is much cheaper.
Here comes the interesting part: the segment DTM - FRA and FRA - DTM is completed by train, not by flight. (technically, this is not DTM but DTZ).
The segment FRA - OTP - FRA is, ofcourse, completed by an aircraft.
Lufthansa is selling the tickets.
Question: Can I skiplegged the train segment (DTM - FRA) ?
How can Lufthansa know if I actually completed the segment since there is no check-in in the train.
I need advice from someone who actually completed such a trip with/without skiplegging the DB segment.
Looking forward to your answers.
Kind Regards,
Stefan
Feb 7, 2020, 11:05 pm
#101
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 37
No problem, as long as you
- check - in for all segments of the ticket (as the flight originates in Dortmund: only possible online for the outward flight. In Bukarest, you will automatically get boarding passes for both flights)
- if you happen to add checked luggage to your ticket: make sure to check this in in Frankfurt only after the arrival time of your train
- check - in for all segments of the ticket (as the flight originates in Dortmund: only possible online for the outward flight. In Bukarest, you will automatically get boarding passes for both flights)
- if you happen to add checked luggage to your ticket: make sure to check this in in Frankfurt only after the arrival time of your train
Feb 8, 2020, 1:14 pm
#102
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thanks for replying. DTM - FRA (actually DTZ - FRA since is the train station) is actually a train ride.
Please read carefully. Question was if there is any identification in the train station and reported by Deutsche Bahn back to Lufthansa.
Whilst this is not usually the case, maybe with some tickets they might do this. I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
I'm still waiting for someone actuall's experience.
Please read carefully. Question was if there is any identification in the train station and reported by Deutsche Bahn back to Lufthansa.
Whilst this is not usually the case, maybe with some tickets they might do this. I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
I'm still waiting for someone actuall's experience.
No problem, as long as you
- check - in for all segments of the ticket (as the flight originates in Dortmund: only possible online for the outward flight. In Bukarest, you will automatically get boarding passes for both flights)
- if you happen to add checked luggage to your ticket: make sure to check this in in Frankfurt only after the arrival time of your train
- check - in for all segments of the ticket (as the flight originates in Dortmund: only possible online for the outward flight. In Bukarest, you will automatically get boarding passes for both flights)
- if you happen to add checked luggage to your ticket: make sure to check this in in Frankfurt only after the arrival time of your train
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Feb 8, 2020, 3:10 pm
#103
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thanks for replying. DTM - FRA (actually DTZ - FRA since is the train station) is actually a train ride.
Please read carefully. Question was if there is any identification in the train station and reported by Deutsche Bahn back to Lufthansa.
Whilst this is not usually the case, maybe with some tickets they might do this. I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
I'm still waiting for someone actuall's experience.
Please read carefully. Question was if there is any identification in the train station and reported by Deutsche Bahn back to Lufthansa.
Whilst this is not usually the case, maybe with some tickets they might do this. I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
I'm still waiting for someone actuall's experience.
You can skip the segment, but you are not allowed to. There may be someone checking the tickets in the train, but it is not always the case. Further to this, there are other methods of Lufthansa for checking if you are skipping the leg. You may especially run into trouble if you check in bags, if the train is delayed, if the return flight has an irreg (and you are rerouted to your final destination), if you check in bags in Frankfurt before the actual arrival of the train, if you try to access security or lounge in FRA before arrival of the train etc.. I would not recommend doing so.
Feb 8, 2020, 4:17 pm
#104
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SebFra please don't be angry.
I am well aware of skiplegging consequences on flights, but not when using trains.
Question was simple: is DB checking identity of passengers and then send this data to LH in due time, therefore canceling the following segments?
My intuition says no, but I would rather know for sure.
Has anyone actually experienced this? Guesses and ironic comments are useless.
I was looking for an answer for many hours in different posts and I was unable to find an answer.
Ofcourse there is no checked in luggage.
I guess I will just have to find out for myself.
thanks
I am well aware of skiplegging consequences on flights, but not when using trains.
Question was simple: is DB checking identity of passengers and then send this data to LH in due time, therefore canceling the following segments?
My intuition says no, but I would rather know for sure.
Has anyone actually experienced this? Guesses and ironic comments are useless.
I was looking for an answer for many hours in different posts and I was unable to find an answer.
Ofcourse there is no checked in luggage.
I guess I will just have to find out for myself.
thanks
What is the problem? A340-600 answered your question. It is a question which has been asked hundreds of times before.
You can skip the segment, but you are not allowed to. There may be someone checking the tickets in the train, but it is not always the case. Further to this, there are other methods of Lufthansa for checking if you are skipping the leg. You may especially run into trouble if you check in bags, if the train is delayed, if the return flight has an irreg (and you are rerouted to your final destination), if you check in bags in Frankfurt before the actual arrival of the train, if you try to access security or lounge in FRA before arrival of the train etc.. I would not recommend doing so.
You can skip the segment, but you are not allowed to. There may be someone checking the tickets in the train, but it is not always the case. Further to this, there are other methods of Lufthansa for checking if you are skipping the leg. You may especially run into trouble if you check in bags, if the train is delayed, if the return flight has an irreg (and you are rerouted to your final destination), if you check in bags in Frankfurt before the actual arrival of the train, if you try to access security or lounge in FRA before arrival of the train etc.. I would not recommend doing so.
Feb 8, 2020, 6:37 pm
#105
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SebFra please don't be angry.
I am well aware of skiplegging consequences on flights, but not when using trains.
Question was simple: is DB checking identity of passengers and then send this data to LH in due time, therefore canceling the following segments?
My intuition says no, but I would rather know for sure.
Has anyone actually experienced this? Guesses and ironic comments are useless.
I was looking for an answer for many hours in different posts and I was unable to find an answer.
Ofcourse there is no checked in luggage.
I guess I will just have to find out for myself.
thanks
I am well aware of skiplegging consequences on flights, but not when using trains.
Question was simple: is DB checking identity of passengers and then send this data to LH in due time, therefore canceling the following segments?
My intuition says no, but I would rather know for sure.
Has anyone actually experienced this? Guesses and ironic comments are useless.
I was looking for an answer for many hours in different posts and I was unable to find an answer.
Ofcourse there is no checked in luggage.
I guess I will just have to find out for myself.
thanks