Why does Lufthansa hub in FRA/MUC, and not Berlin and/or Hamburg?
It seems like an oversight on their part to, even with two hubs, not have one in the German capital of Berlin. Are slot restrictions a problem, and if so, why did Air Berlin see an opportunity? If it was due to the East/West split, why didn’t LH move in after the wall fell? Is there really more premium passenger demand from both Frankfurt and Munich than Berlin? Even so, Frankfurt as a financial hub makes more sense; I don’t know what causes so much premium demand for Munich
Anyway, is anyone with more insight than me willing to give an illuminating answer? |
If you have ever been to TXL or SXF, you will understand why Lufthansa couldn't make either a hub.
TXL is old, outdated and extremely small, they don't have the space for planes. They don't even have a lounge past security as each gate is separated with their own security. You walk 7 meters from the curb to the check in counter and then another 7 meters to the gate. (In terminal A anyways) Terminal C is simply a large quonset hut where everyone either walks over the runway to get to their planes or takes a bus. The only public transport to TXL is via bus service. Both airports are simply not equipped to house planes, especially larger aircraft. Don't get me started with SXF, it's basically a giant Burger King where everyone sits on the floor cause there is absolutely no room. The longest long-haul I think TXL offers is TXL > EWR, which is once a day with United. Could be totally wrong here! |
There ain’t any need for a further hub in Germany and if so, DUS would probably the more natural choice. Being the capital and being the biggest single city in Germany does not qualify Berlin as a market. The DUS metro area is four times as big as Berlin.
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The decision to hub in Frankfurt (and then later in Munich) has both historical and business reasons.
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TXL was built when The Wall was still up as a "domestic" point-to-point airport. Lufthansa didn't even fly there from anywhere. Until today, no automatic baggage handling and very few of the airbridges capable of handling widebodies. No facilities airside for transiting passengers due to the quirky layout of Terminal A. Hopeless location for a hub.
SXF (which might merge with BER some time in the next few decades) more or less the same. |
Originally Posted by tsolaaa
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If you have ever been to TXL or SXF, you will understand why Lufthansa couldn't make either a hub.
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LH might have tried to do something with BER had it opened on time but let’s not open that can or Worms 😅
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Originally Posted by chris63
(Post 29624112)
LH might have tried to do something with BER had it opened on time but let’s not open that can or Worms ��
Until unification happened, only PA (Pan Am), TW (TWA) , BA, AF, DA (Dan Air) were able to fly to TXL. I think also AB had some charters to PMI as officially then it was a US airline (but memory might not serve me well)... |
Try to sell tickets in a city its own major called „poor, but sexy“.
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Berlin is a total dump, considering how the rest of the country is. Charming dump, but dump still.
Air Berlin could fly into Berlin, as they were operating as "Air Berlin USA", an American airline, before reunification. They only became German in the 90s. Indeed, BER was supposed to be a hub for AB. Shame it never got finished, I honestly think AB could have survived otherwise. |
Originally Posted by tsolaaa
(Post 29623094)
The longest long-haul I think TXL offers is TXL > EWR, which is once a day with United. Could be totally wrong here! |
Originally Posted by tsolaaa
(Post 29623094)
If you have ever been to TXL or SXF, you will understand why Lufthansa couldn't make either a hub.
TXL is old, outdated and extremely small, they don't have the space for planes. They don't even have a lounge past security as each gate is separated with their own security. You walk 7 meters from the curb to the check in counter and then another 7 meters to the gate. (In terminal A anyways) Terminal C is simply a large quonset hut where everyone either walks over the runway to get to their planes or takes a bus. The only public transport to TXL is via bus service. Both airports are simply not equipped to house planes, especially larger aircraft. Don't get me started with SXF, it's basically a giant Burger King where everyone sits on the floor cause there is absolutely no room. The longest long-haul I think TXL offers is TXL > EWR, which is once a day with United. Could be totally wrong here! finally Lufthansa attitude towards Berlin resulted in a huge expansion by EasyJet ( Second biggest hub after LGW) and Ryanair/laudamotion. Finally the airport is fast. You walk 100 meters from the check-in counter to the plane and 50 meters from the plane to immigration and luggage carousel. |
Originally Posted by RolfD
(Post 29626091)
actually TXL has a lounge in terminal C after you clear security. TXL is a slot control airport. LH is not interested in developing a hub in Berlin ( even if the new airport is open). The vacuum left by Airberlin is been filled by Aircanada Rouge, Delta, Scoot, Hainan, Qatar and United. finally Lufthansa attitude towards Berlin resulted in a huge expansion by EasyJet ( Second biggest hub after LGW) and Ryanair/laudamotion. Finally the airport is fast. You walk 100 meters from the check-in counter to the plane and 50 meters from the plane to immigration and luggage carousel. |
Originally Posted by s0ssos
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Fast, but there is nothing to do. And therein lies that dilemma, or going really late to these "fast" airports and presuming they will still be fast or you will miss your flight, or going earlier and sitting around having nothing to do.
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Originally Posted by RolfD
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why do you want to go to the airport earlier than you have to? If a recall airports are design to flight from point A to point B, unless you want to buy over price items at the stores or restaurants. finally there are 5 lounges at tegel that you can use before your flight leaves
And just relaxing in a nice environment prior to takeoff, taking a shower (giving you extra time that morning) |
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