CO/VS codeshare earning FD points
 

2) CO codeshare flights on VS, EK & also Air Europa seem to be acceptable for points earning and redemption.

Specifically listed as point earners are :
BOS - MAN as a CO flight ( of course this is a VS operated flight )
LGW - MCO as a CO flight ( again VS flight )
MAN - MCO as a CO flight ( VS flight )
NYC - LHR as a CO flight ( VS )
LGW - MIA as a CO flight ( VS )
LAX - Lon as a CO flight ( VS )
CLE - BHX as a CO flight ( doesn't exist )
SFO - LON as a CO flight ( VS )
WAS - LON as a CO flight ( VS )

KLM FD supervisor Kitty has said no this is not true

These routes are indeed listed in the April 2002 edition of the brochure.

Also, whereas there is a specific exclusion for NW flights operated by another carrier (p.50), no such exclusion exists in relation to CO.

I had until now assumed that the usual rule (viz. no points on flights operated by a non-partner except under a specific KL code) applied to CO as well. It would appear that this is not the case. Strange that the rules should be more generous for CO codeshares than NW codeshares.

Does anyone know if CO-operated flights count towards the matching promo?

They certainly do if Flightnumber and metal is CO. I would have sworn that CO flights on other metal than CO/KL/NW would not earn points at all.

Now if this really can be confirmed, it would be a really good thing to have those VS flights as a possibility!!! How I would like to fly VS!!!

Me, too! I would fly VS every day if possible. Thanks for the tip!

FD call agent Gregory has sid YES to CO codeshare flights operated by VS are eligible.

We had a long discussion and he says that according to what he can see he could book me a CO flight from LGW to MIA, which is of course operated by VS.

As part of this discussion I have been specifically advised/requested to write to Andrea Schmittman.
Fax - 00-31-20-609 0917

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KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Virtual Airline Management Group

*a QF here and an IB there, here a AA, there a BA, everywhere a ....?

KLM marketing is investigating this for us

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KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Virtual Airline Management Group

*a QF here and an IB there, here a AA, there a BA, everywhere a ....?

Cool! I hope this won't wake up them to maybe cancel an existing possibility...

However we need definite answers; I wouldn't risk booking a CO flight on VS that later get's no KLM points...

Well KLM knows I want to know...

I have names & email addresses of people investigating this @ klm.

I am also in the process of seeking legal advice.

I have been told, in the early stages of the KLM/CO relationship, that only CO flights on CO metal are eligible for FD points.

I specifically asked about VS, because CO had pretty good fares from DUS and MGL to the US east coast, operated via London on Virgin.

However, Mr. Marleen ( one of the best FD agents )told me, that only CO metal counts.....

Beside that, I don`t think that VS flights will count, simple because VS is a major competitor for KLM from the UK, why should anybody connect through AMS, when he can fly one of the best airlines nonstop from London.

But I would certainly appreciate, if VS joins the party...

All true, of course, so why do the CO flights ex LHR and other VS-operated CO sectors appear in the new FD guide (received yesterday)?

Chris...the other thing, is assuming Virgin metal, but a CO code share flight, can I get upgraded, (using points of course) to the Upper Deck ??

Upgrades are only available on KL, NW and KQ, not on CO metal, let alone VS operated CO codeshare.

[This message has been edited by NickB (edited 06-07-2002).]

Anybody tried to get an award on CO / VS-metal in Y or C? Of course it's not available online but it should be possible to book via FD Helpdesk...

And as those clearly VS routes are now in the booklet IMO we will get the information that those flights will count... (I wish to...)

Have had an email update from klm telling me that they are still looking into this and will get back to me.

arrghhh !!!

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KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Virtual Airline Management Group

*a QF here and an IB there, here a AA, there a BA, everywhere a ....?

Have been following this up as a result of my recent visit to Endeavour House - some "new to me" names have now become involved, and hopefully await a quick written response.

FYI - Andrea Schmittman is NOT KLM staff.

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KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Virtual Airline Management Group

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You got an invite ?

The FD Helpdesk will not provide availabilty information on CO upgrade awards but they definitely state that this type of award is available on request.

CO flights on VS metal are specifically included in the list of available flights.

I am considering such a request at present.

Darren

I would be most interested in the results of this.

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KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Virtual Airline Management Group

*a QF here and an IB there, here a AA, there a BA, everywhere a ....?

I have an official answer to this :

In written form via email :
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the FD-policy is no accrual & redemption on CO-flights operated by a non-KL partner.

Could you pls provide a list of CO-flights which are operated by Virgin.

So we can correct our brochure and give the correct information to our members.

Best regards
Edu Peek

Senior Manager Airline Alliances Loyalty Management (AMS/ME)
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This email also carries other comments and names of other KLM/CO staff. I do not like the answer, but this does look pretty definite.

[This message has been edited by Cris L (edited 06-25-2002).]

Have they considered asking CO, their code-sharing partner?

On the other hand, it might be a good idea if it was left to FD members to correct the brochure! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

johan

Johan

The email I received was also sent to a number of people, including someone @ CO. I believe that that request to list the CO flights was to ensure that ALL parties contributed to the corrections...

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KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
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I am getting absolutely no response from the FD Helpdesk on my request.

Cris, given your quote from KLM I think I will book my paid ticket on CO metal to stand a better chance of getting an award upgrade.

I am disgusted at the complacent attitude of KLM staffers to legitimate requests for information. They frequently either ignore you completely or provide misleading information.

My business is going elsewhere once I have used up my current mileage.

KLM FD helpdesk call agents are NOT KLM staff. They are employees of Cygnific who contract with KLM to provide call centre services.

FYI - Cygnific is a KLM group company, but it remains that they are NOT KLM staff

True, but so what? Whether the call agents are employed by KLM or by a company 100% owned by KLM is completely irrelevant from the passenger's /FD member's perspective.

All we want is prompt and correct answers to our queries. Not an unreasonable thing to expect, in my opinion.

From Cycnifics website :

"What About Our Staff?

We genuinely believe that our staff are our greatest asset. We have invested heavily in training and development and are satisfied that this investment has paid off. Our dedicated in-house Training Department constantly reviews processes and procedures in order to maintain our drive for continuous improvements to our service delivery.

Staff welfare is of paramount importance and we ensure that regular staff forums and communications meetings are held. Our working conditions are industry-leading and are designed to be as stress-free as possible.

Finally, we pride ourselves on our creativity when it comes to staff social events as we believe a happy workforce is a productive one."

Check out their website http://www.cygnific.com/ .
They have vacancies for "Customer Care Representatives on the Flying Dutchman department" Any takers? Ralf? Kurz? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

They are also advertising for a Flying Dutchman Supervisor ( http://www.cygnific.com/Jobs/ad_supervisor_FD.htm )

By the way, and in all fairness, I must add that they do also employ competent and helpful staff. I know of one to whom I personally address my queries, which have always been resolved promptly and correctly in a courteous manner.

johan

Cris, thanks for the update.

And Darryl, you cann't use FD points to upgrade a CO flight.

KLM have just given me some generous bonus points for my tenacity in bringing this to their attention and getting this clarified...

Now just waiting for the new updated booklet/website !

Very funny! You should have hit 'reply', given a flight number from Houston to Milwaukee (or something equally useless), stated firmly that it is the only one, and signed with an official-sounding title (Chief Codeshare Management Officer or something).

From the FD website

<< Earning possibilities

You can earn and spend points on all scheduled flights operated by Continental Airlines.>>

That explains that then

Nigel

Yes, you can earn miles on CO/VS codeshares into London Heathrow as CO does not fly there- at least that is how I got my miles IAD-LHR. CO was giving some excuse to NOT give me miles based on my one way flight as it is not roundtrip (incorrect answer) but KLM card was accepted. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

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