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KLM's S20 timetable - schedule related questions
Originally Posted by KLM
As of 22 March (*23 March), KLM will no longer fly to the European destinations listed below until further notice: Alpine countries: Graz and Zagreb France: Montpellier Central Europe: Gdańsk, Cracow* and Wroclaw*, Kiev and St. Petersburg Germany: Dresden Italy: Bologna, Rome, Florence, Genoa, Milan, Naples, Turin and Venice Nordics: Ålesund, Kristiansand, Linköping, Sandefjord and Växjö Spain/Portugal: Porto Turkey: Istanbul United Kingdom and Ireland: Belfast, Inverness, Humberside and Durham |
Tell me about it!
Remaining destinations may well still be served, but there's no way of telling which flights will actually operate. Book one, and there's a good chance of finding a cancelation e-mail in your inbox pretty soon. I'm trying to get home in a few days, and so far I think I'm on my fifth booking. Johan |
Effective week of 30 march some 20-25 longhaul destinations will remain in place ; these include ao JFK/JNB/NBO/BKK and these destinations will be flown 2-4 a week each.
All flights will be operated by 777/787 only. Airbus and 747 will not operate .Schedules will likely in place till 1 st week of june/tba These schedules will pro actively loaded in reservation systems currently the week before is loaded in reservation system Europe; roughly 30 destinations will be offered on a daily basis- all return flights (no nightstops). Towards Major destinations which still allow flights that is. Several destinations will have 2 flights eg TXL/LCY others just 1 a day eg BCN/HEL/DUB/GOT Restrictions keep changing all the time Currently KLM is working on schedules for next weeks but priority is for rescue flights now; still lot of flights leaving upcoming week; going empty towards destinations like UIO/PBM/CUR etc . Flights are returning completely packed towards AMS and with restrictions in place in over 32 countries its not an easy puzzle.Additionaaly many flight crew members also have limitations eg after visiting Korea and the likes. Got this information from internal sources which are working around the clock and thought would be helpful to share As flights come available experienced travellers as most here n the forum can do a lot them self via my trip. safe travels! |
KLM will be using some of its longhaul aircraft for cargo-only flights to many destinations in North and South America as well as Asia. The rates for air freight have gone through the roof, the price per kilogram has already quintupled, and the airline is scrambling to meet demand.
Source Johan |
Good news that KLM is still getting some source of revenues to keep itself afloat! Here's to KL coming back stronger after the crisis.
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Originally Posted by newflyer530
(Post 32214018)
Good news that KLM is still getting some source of revenues to keep itself afloat! Here's to KL coming back stronger after the crisis.
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An Open Letter to Ben Smith and Pieter Elbers
"Gentlemen,
You don’t know me, but I had the honour to work for KLM Cargo for over 32 years culminating with global responsibility for cargo sales and marketing based in Schiphol. Prior to that I was VP cargo and area manager Canada and then Middle East, Asia and Australia. During my 32 years of service I saw how the B747-400 Combi saved KLM financially on numerous occasions as a true cargo aircraft was needed during the gulf war crisis, SARS etc., and it allowed us to continue operations with at least a break-even result. Now more than ever these aircraft are needed to support humanitarian requirements for goods and services . . . " Full letter here. Johan |
As people here probably have realized, I fly between AMS and ATH often. So I'm following the news on both sides and as it stands, I don't know any better than that:
* AMS will close for all except rescue and cargo flights * ATH will close for all except rescue and a few domestic flights However, while Aegean has canceled all flights to AMS for April - KLM has not. In fact, the schedule is still fully available with 2 flights on most days. A few days ago I was under the impression that it would take time to cancel and rebook pax and that that was the reason for the flights to remain available. However now for a week or so all pax seem to have been rebooked, the lowest fare classes are available, and these flights are fully bookable for the lowest fares. I'd almost think that they are actually planning to operate these.. Which would be good news for me in case I have to travel for emergencies.. but it also sounds a little but surreal/unbelievable. And it doesn't quite match with the news that AMS would be closing down to almost 0. |
I'm in the same situation with flights to GRU - they're fully available in all fare classes (9s all round), but on the way back (GRU-AMS) they're properly booked. I already decided not to travel in April, I'm just waiting until the last minute for a cancellation by KLM rather than requesting a rebooking at this time.
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Xandrios; as mentioned elsewhere KLM intends to fly 30 destinations within Europe on a 1 flight a day schedule; this should include ATH
Have a look into the schedule of the next week and you will see the upcoming schedule. The booking systems are being uploaded currently and should give a better view on upcoming flights by wednesday/thursday. Give it some time! on Longhaul they expect to fly 25 destinations 2-3 x a week all operated with b 777/787 |
They are certainly taking the opportunity to fleece pax when and where they can. This afternoon I looked at AMS-ARN flights for tomorrow, Monday. They were asking € 1,008.-- (In J, but still) adding that there were only "eight seats left at this price". Weirdly, they price has now dropped to "only" € 824.--, at which price they are willing to sell 4 seats.
Johan |
https://news.klm.com/covid-19-klm-st...-destinations/
The booking engine doesn't seem to have been updated yet, I'm still able to see daily flights to GRU for instance. |
I wouldn't trust that booking engine one iota. I've had any number of booked flights canceled in the past few days, even though they were happily selling tickets for them. Not only KL, by the way.
A quick count shows that about 160 KL-coded flights departed AMS yesterday, Sunday. Although that of course included a substantial number of codeshares, KL is still flying to lots of destinations. All night stops have been canceled, so most departures from AMS are in the morning or afternoon, with all return flights the same day. There were exactly 100 pax on my flight to CPH yesterday afternoon, but only 20 booked on the return. Johan |
Was thinking of booking a trip GOT-MAN at the end of April but held off booking whilst everything's in the air (or not!). Looking again now and they have a daily flight GOT.AMS and a daily flight AMS-MAN both mid-morning departures which don't work as a same-day connection, so the booking tool shows no availability for the whole trip until May, not proposing overnight stops in AMS which would work. Multi-city trip works though.
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Originally Posted by johan rebel
(Post 32222375)
I wouldn't trust that booking engine one iota. I've had any number of booked flights canceled in the past few days, even though they were happily selling tickets for them. Not only KL, by the way.
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Originally Posted by mfkne
(Post 32225314)
Any idea where else to check? Expertflyer is still showing all flights too.
If you must know for sure that the flights you book will operate, then buy on the day before/the day of travel (and hope that your route is not completely dropped in the meantime) The prices will probably be even cheaper than they are now. |
Originally Posted by irishguy28
(Post 32227696)
The prices will probably be even cheaper than they are now.
Looking at AMS-CPH for the rest of this week and the next, prices are around €600.-- for both one way and return flights, every single day. There's not a single ticket to be had in coach, only J is on offer. Even then they are showing five seats or fewer on most flights, even on days when there are still two flights to CPH. On some dates the flights are completely sold out. I'm pleased I got a ticket for under €400 last Sunday, with the full regular meal service to boot. Johan |
Looks like the cancellations for the first week of April are now in the system.
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I believe LCY was on the list of destinations still served by KL, but in the BA forum it was mentioned this airport is now closing as of last night (25/3).
More info here: https://www.londoncityairport.com/coronavirus |
Originally Posted by r0gerthat
(Post 32233559)
I believe LCY was on the list of destinations still served by KL, but in the BA forum it was mentioned this airport is now closing as of last night (25/3).
All other flights on the route - KL969, KL981/3/5/7/9, KL991/3/7 - all finished on or before last Sunday, 22 March. |
This post from a few days ago is already out of date:
Originally Posted by KLM.com
Europe: as many connections as possible
The European network has been set up in such a way that as many European flights as possible connect to the intercontinental network. The following destinations will be flown daily from Schiphol from 28 March to 3 May (subject to change): Geneva, Vienna, Zurich, Brussels, Paris, Lyon, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich, Stuttgart, Berlin, Rome (from 4 April)**, Stockholm, Billund, Copenhagen, Gothenburg, Oslo, Barcelona**, Lisbon, Madrid**, Aberdeen, Birmingham, Bristol, Dublin, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Leeds Bradford, London City, London Heathrow, Manchester, Newcastle. ** These routes are currently subject to very strict travel restrictions and it will be considered at a later stage whether/when these flights can be operated. For all other routes, KLM informs passengers that many countries have introduced travel restrictions. Please note that this sometimes happens at short notice - for an overview of the rules see IATA Travel Centre. For both intercontinental and European flights: up-to-date flight information can be found on KLM.com or in the KLM app. |
KLM's S20 timetable - only 26 longhaul destinations
...and the only one served daily will be JFK.
All subject to change, of course. I think Singapore, listed below, is no longer possible as all flights there are banned, I believe?
Originally Posted by KLM.com
Due to the corona crisis, KLM will start the summer schedule with a significantly reduced network. From 29 March until and including 3 May, KLM plans to fly to 25 intercontinental and 32 European destinations. During this period, KLM will fly according to an adjusted schedule, which amounts to about 10 percent of the normal number of flights.
Intercontinental: 777's and 787's The intercontinental network will be operated with Boeing 777s and 787s. The Boeing 747s will be taken out of the fleet early. The remaining aircraft will be parked at Schiphol. A plan for this is currently being drawn up together with the airport. The following destinations will be offered from 29 March to 3 May (subject to changes): Airport - Frequency per week Atlanta - 3 Abu Dhabi/Muscat - 2 Bangkok - 2 Curacao - 2 Delhi* - 2 Dubai* - 3 Sao Paulo - 2 Hong Kong - 3 Incheon (Seoul) - 3 New York JFK - 7 Johannesburg - 3 Kansai (Osaka) - 2 Los Angeles - 3 Lima* - 3 Mexico City - 3 Nairobi* - 2 Narita (Tokyo) - 2 Chicago O’Hare - 2 Beijing* - 3 Panama City - 2 Shanghai - 3 Singapore - 3 Taipei* - 3 Calgary - 3 Toronto - 3 Total - 69 return flights * These routes are subject to very strict travel restrictions and KLM will initially fly with cargo only. For all other routes, KLM would like to point out to passengers that many countries have introduced travel restrictions. Please note that this sometimes happens at short notice - for an overview of the rules see IATA Travel Centre. Europe: as many connections as possible The European network has been set up in such a way that as many European flights as possible connect to the intercontinental network. The following destinations will be flown daily from Schiphol from 28 March to 3 May (subject to change): Geneva, Vienna, Zurich, Brussels, Paris, Lyon, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich, Stuttgart, Berlin, Rome (from 4 April)**, Stockholm, Billund, Copenhagen, Gothenburg, Oslo, Barcelona**, Lisbon, Madrid**, Aberdeen, Birmingham, Bristol, Dublin, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Leeds Bradford, London City, London Heathrow, Manchester, Newcastle. ** These routes are currently subject to very strict travel restrictions and it will be considered at a later stage whether/when these flights can be operated. For all other routes, KLM informs passengers that many countries have introduced travel restrictions. Please note that this sometimes happens at short notice - for an overview of the rules see IATA Travel Centre. For both intercontinental and European flights: up-to-date flight information can be found on KLM.com or in the KLM app. |
Originally Posted by irishguy28
(Post 32234159)
...and the only one served daily will be JFK.
All subject to change, of course. I think Singapore, listed below, is no longer possible as all flights there are banned, I believe? |
I think this will be the future schedule too...
Flying will never become again what it used to be... |
Originally Posted by irishguy28
(Post 32234159)
I think Singapore, listed below, is no longer possible as all flights there are banned, I believe?
The cabin crew unions have been complaining, because crew on layovers in SIN have been told to stay in their hotel rooms the entire time they are there. The same unions have also demanded, and KLM has agreed, that all dead-heading crew must travel in in WBC, even if that means off-loading pax. This is in order to comply with social distancing rules, which rules apparently do not apply to pax traveling in coach. Or else the unions couldn't care less. Johan |
Originally Posted by johan rebel
(Post 32235102)
The same unions have also demanded, and KLM has agreed, that all dead-heading crew must travel in in WBC, even if that means off-loading pax. This is in order to comply with social distancing rules, which rules apparently do not apply to pax traveling in coach. Or else the unions couldn't care less.
Johan And is it that strange they want to protect themselves as much as possible? Even in supermarkets,workers are wearing high visibility jackets to make others keep their distance (1,5m), but cabin crew has to sit as close as possible to other people when being send somewhere? |
Originally Posted by Meneer Guggenheimer
(Post 32234590)
Flying will never become again what it used to be...
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Originally Posted by EricVdb
(Post 32235441)
but cabin crew has to sit as close as possible to other people when being send somewhere?
If there are guidelines recommending a certain separation between individuals, then they should be applied consistently, not only to certain people on the aircraft. I note that some airlines are no longer allocating middle seats in coach. Anyway, the unions have also talked KL into treating FAs who are running scared and don't want to fly with leniency, so those who prefer isolation to separation have that option. Johan |
Originally Posted by EricVdb
(Post 32235441)
Even in supermarkets,workers are wearing high visibility jackets to make others keep their distance
Went shopping yesterday. Parking lots were full; lines at check-out in every store I visited; nobody was practising any separation beyond what the shopping carts automatically mandated; no store offered any hand sanitizer (I brought my own); no one wore a high vis; it was just a regular day at the mall. Pandemic? What Pandemic? Weird! Johan |
Originally Posted by johan rebel
(Post 32235714)
No, that's not at all my point.
If there are guidelines recommending a certain separation between individuals, then they should be applied consistently, not only to certain people on the aircraft. I note that some airlines are no longer allocating middle seats in coach. Anyway, the unions have also talked KL into treating FAs who are running scared and don't want to fly with leniency, so those who prefer isolation to separation have that option. Johan The 1,5m does not apply to transport, but is still a sensible precaution. I can imagine if you otherwise work constantly in an area with increased risk of infection, you take the opportunity to reduce the risk when your employer ships you somewhere. Really not so different as measures other companies have taken to protect their workers. |
Originally Posted by johan rebel
(Post 32235102)
Cargo flights are presumably still permitted.
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
(Post 32237518)
Indeed, but the cargo-only destinations are designated as such in the list, and SIN wasn't amongst them.
Johan |
There's also schedule changes, including some weird ones - KL791 (AMS-GRU) is going from a day flight (leaving AMS at 10) to a red-eye, leaving just before 10 PM, arriving in Brazil at 5 in the morning.
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Originally Posted by mfkne
(Post 32237730)
There's also schedule changes, including some weird ones - KL791 (AMS-GRU) is going from a day flight (leaving AMS at 10) to a red-eye, leaving just before 10 PM, arriving in Brazil at 5 in the morning.
Johan |
Originally Posted by johan rebel
(Post 32237761)
KL is adjusting schedules to ensure that as many crews as possible can stay with the aircraft and return to AMS without having to spend a night at their destination.
Johan Don't know when the flights return tho. |
Originally Posted by EricVdb
(Post 32235906)
Blocking seats would mean leaving people stranded.
- Flights to JFK to cease immediately - Separation of pax by keeping middle seats free - No contact between crew and pax whatsover. At take-off and landing crew take their assigned seats. During the flight they are to remain in the galley at all times, dire emergencies excepted. Gloves and masks to be worn for the entire flight. - No in-flight service of any kind. Meal boxes to be placed on seats before boarding commences. - Health screening of all pax before boarding. I guess it's a good thing these unions are not representing doctors, nurses or other health care professionals. Or bus drivers, grocery store employees or anybody else who in a professional capacity may actually come into contact with a real human being. Johan |
KL835 took off for SIN a few minutes ago. It departed from gate E20, so presumably with pax.
Johan |
Hum...I have a LAX-AMS-OSL flight on 4 May...
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Watching. I'm scheduled for AMS-CPT on 6 May....
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I have now with changes
17 April Ams-Mex 18 April Dus-Ams 19 April Mex- Cun will Mex - Cun be canceled because I have not flown Dus-Ams.... 😛 |
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