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prhs1989 Oct 20, 2004 3:49 pm

New flights
 
Jetblue has expanded their schedule to two cities already. (Next year, Spring 05) These are Ontario, one new flight, for a total of two, and New Orleans, one more flight, to a total of 3. They are expected to add extra flights to SJC, SMF, and SEA. These all begin in Spring 05.

SkaterJasp Oct 23, 2004 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by prhs1989
Jetblue has expanded their schedule to two cities already. (Next year, Spring 05) These are Ontario, one new flight, for a total of two, and New Orleans, one more flight, to a total of 3. They are expected to add extra flights to SJC, SMF, and SEA. These all begin in Spring 05.

Don't forget that their going to add cities and/or flights when the 190s start coming in. I can't wait till they get the 190s, I heard from people that flew the 170s on other airlines that its a awesome plane.
:)

prhs1989 Oct 23, 2004 2:28 pm

Cities
 

Originally Posted by SkaterJasp
Don't forget that their going to add cities and/or flights when the 190s start coming in. I can't wait till they get the 190s, I heard from people that flew the 170s on other airlines that its a awesome plane.
:)

Just because they get the 190's doesn't mean that they stop expanding with the A 320. They are just going to supplement each other. Couldn't tell if that is what you meant.

gmailflyer Nov 20, 2004 6:17 pm

320s and 190s
 
According to JBLU mgmt, route decisions are made fairly quickly if new opportunities arise - otherwise they have some kind of longer term plan. As an investor, here is what I have inferred (I could be completely wrong):
- As the 190s start entering the fleet in Fall 2005, they will use them in markets where 320s will be an overkill but 190s can experience full loads. This usually opens new cities. They expect many of the non-top 10 cities to be very viable for 190s that they could not serve with 320s. I expect a lot of domestic cities added this way.
- They will use 190s even on existing routes at times when the loads are not at their peak. This would essentially free up 320s for long range flying or add frequency at a time which could not have been profitably served by the larger planes.
- There will be more international expansion with increased capacity. Mexico and Canada are in their sights. I expect more Carribean flying as well.

While 190s and 320s are almost comparable in cost for flying similar distances, they expect a segmentation - 320s will be flying longer distances and 190s shorter distances. This means, in practice, the CASM (Cost for Available Seat Mile) for 190s will be higher than 320s - probably a $5 to $10 premium on each segment of a 190. They had not decided if they will charge different prices on the same route for 190 and 320, but the expectation is that they would (or another way to thing of it - is that they may offer more seats in the higher fare buckets on 190s than on the 320s getting a slightly better yield on the 190s).

The only comparable for this model is AirTran's 717 vs 737 flts. AirTran does a lot more short haul and medium haul than JetBlue. Note that AirTran says that it can run a profitable operation out of MDW while ATA could not, primarily becuase of its mix of 717 and 737 aircraft. I expect Jetblue to use such a mix to defend itself against a WN assault or a network carrier attack.

Note that Jetblue will continue to add both 320s and 190s to their fleet from next year. While they are not ready to go across the Atlantic they do gain a lot of capacity for more international flying. They could easily pick up a lot of high volume international routes to the south of the border in addition to domestic cities and filling out their network.

Boofer Nov 20, 2004 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by prhs1989
Jetblue has expanded their schedule to two cities already. (Next year, Spring 05) These are Ontario, one new flight, for a total of two, and New Orleans, one more flight, to a total of 3. They are expected to add extra flights to SJC, SMF, and SEA. These all begin in Spring 05.

This is unconfirmed by JetBlue at this point, but some in the local business press in Indy have said that JB is eyeing IND for expansion circa May '05. I'm guessing it would be morning and evening flights with the 190?

gmailflyer Nov 20, 2004 8:35 pm

SJC badly needs an extra flt
 
As AA retreats from SJC, Jetblue has a definite opportunity. OAK is a nice airport but there is a lot of business traffic SJC-JFK. With additional flts B6 will be able to establish a proper foothold in SJC. Look at the success in SMF.

Renard Nov 20, 2004 8:35 pm

Is there any truth to the rumor that JB tried to get into Houston but CO started gobbling up any extra gates to stop them?

prhs1989 Nov 21, 2004 5:24 am


Originally Posted by Boofer
This is unconfirmed by JetBlue at this point, but some in the local business press in Indy have said that JB is eyeing IND for expansion circa May '05. I'm guessing it would be morning and evening flights with the 190?

I was just saying what Neelman was saying (SMF, SJC). They could enter the Indy market, but I doubt they would do it with the A320. I would have guessed they use the 190.

prhs1989 Nov 21, 2004 5:26 am


Originally Posted by Renard
Is there any truth to the rumor that JB tried to get into Houston but CO started gobbling up any extra gates to stop them?

On another forum, someone said that a flight attendant from CO told him the exact thing. She said that 7 gates became available in the A terminal, but continental bought them so jetblue would not enter the market. They are planning on using these gates for COEX.

phllax Nov 21, 2004 2:50 pm

I'm not quite sure if the renovations are done over at HOU, but if there are, it looks like there's plenty of room for JetBlue in Terminal B.

prhs1989 Nov 23, 2004 3:58 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/11/23...eut/index.html

An interesting article.

amanuensis Nov 24, 2004 12:13 pm

Thanks for the link -- Neeleman was exceptionally frank in that interview.

ScottTexas Nov 26, 2004 11:24 am

B6 to DFW?
 
When is B6 coming, if ever?

prhs1989 Nov 26, 2004 1:54 pm


Originally Posted by ScottTexas
When is B6 coming, if ever?

Most likely in 2006, but no one knows with Jetblue.

SusanDK Nov 28, 2004 4:13 am

My brother-in-law heard a rumour that JetBlue would expand to JAX. Anyone know if there is any truth to that one?

Susan


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