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gmailflyer Dec 1, 2004 2:32 pm

Many rumors
 
At this point I am sure most of the rumors have a kernel of truth. Jetblue does keep its plans fluid, so unless they have seriously started looking at specific dates, I'd give most rumors a pass.

card26 Dec 7, 2004 12:55 pm

All I know is that JetBlue has said any many occasions that they are going to expand but they have not given any clue where those cities where the 190's will be used. I sent them an email a while ago about it and they said that many cities are still under consideration. Guess they don't want to tick anyone off.

jetsettergirl Dec 9, 2004 1:01 am

The "rumors" for jetBlue
 
Hey everyone,

New to the board, jetBlue flight attendant here. Well, the rumors go around the company the same way they do here. Here is the situation with the rumors. As soon as jetBlue knows if it is going somewhere, we know. Maybe a day later, the public knows. I think as soon as they find out, and everything is finalized, they make it public asap! Rumors are all over about Jamaica, North Carolina, Chicago, when I hear, I will let you know...lol.

Keep ya posted!

prhs1989 Dec 9, 2004 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by jetsettergirl
Hey everyone,

New to the board, jetBlue flight attendant here. Well, the rumors go around the company the same way they do here. Here is the situation with the rumors. As soon as jetBlue knows if it is going somewhere, we know. Maybe a day later, the public knows. I think as soon as they find out, and everything is finalized, they make it public asap! Rumors are all over about Jamaica, North Carolina, Chicago, when I hear, I will let you know...lol.

Keep ya posted!

Thank you. Always nice to have an informant on the inside to backup rumors.

bluecrew85 Dec 9, 2004 3:09 pm

And at JetBlue, we don't know about a new BlueCity until the public knows...well not until the night before at least. Everything is top secret. Really! :) Rumors float but we don't know anymore than the public does.

SkaterJasp Dec 9, 2004 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by jetsettergirl
Hey everyone,

New to the board, jetBlue flight attendant here. Well, the rumors go around the company the same way they do here. Here is the situation with the rumors. As soon as jetBlue knows if it is going somewhere, we know. Maybe a day later, the public knows. I think as soon as they find out, and everything is finalized, they make it public asap! Rumors are all over about Jamaica, North Carolina, Chicago, when I hear, I will let you know...lol.

Keep ya posted!

Welcome to the FlyerTalk Forum! :D

JS Dec 13, 2004 6:55 pm


Originally Posted by ScottTexas
When is B6 coming, if ever?

It will be a while as long as Southwest keeps whining about the Wright Amendment.

JS Dec 13, 2004 7:01 pm


Originally Posted by gmailflyer
According to JBLU mgmt, route decisions are made fairly quickly if new opportunities arise - otherwise they have some kind of longer term plan. As an investor, here is what I have inferred (I could be completely wrong):
...
While 190s and 320s are almost comparable in cost for flying similar distances, they expect a segmentation - 320s will be flying longer distances and 190s shorter distances. This means, in practice, the CASM (Cost for Available Seat Mile) for 190s will be higher than 320s - probably a $5 to $10 premium on each segment of a 190. They had not decided if they will charge different prices on the same route for 190 and 320, but the expectation is that they would (or another way to thing of it - is that they may offer more seats in the higher fare buckets on 190s than on the 320s getting a slightly better yield on the 190s).
...

As an investor, you should hope that's just a rumor. I don't know which is more idiotic -- charging $5 extra to fly on a 190, or making more full-fare seats available on an airplane that has fewer seats in total. I know JetBlue does some things differently, but economics is pretty much the same for all the airlines.

LenPDX2004 Jan 1, 2005 10:09 am

When is JetBlue going to add PDX to it's list of destinations. There flying to many cities on the west coast, but it boggles my mind why Portland has not been added.

gmailflyer Jan 4, 2005 11:16 am


Originally Posted by LenPDX2004
When is JetBlue going to add PDX to it's list of destinations. There flying to many cities on the west coast, but it boggles my mind why Portland has not been added.

I am sure that there are many cities that B6 would like to fly to but is constrained by fleet size and the 320 size. I am not sure PDX is a developed leisure market. For a short haul business market, frequency is very important. The 320s are not great planes to add freq flts to the non top 10 markets (and B6 does not even have Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, etc. covered yet). To start attacking the smaller markets, they need the 190s. Once you get the 190s, I'm sure you'll see a lot of network expansion and completion of connecting the dots.

For pure west coast runs from PDX there is a lot of competition from WN and AS. For transcon market, you need a critical mass. As this is winter, B6 may be better off adding more sun and sand flts and possibly add a few more international routes. I don't see PDX for the next 6 months but B6 has the ability to be very innovative and surprise almost everyone. Let us wait and see.

mbstone Jan 5, 2005 1:05 am

I vote for IAD-NAS. Or IAD-JFK. Or anything at DCA.

Paulo Jan 5, 2005 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by JS
As an investor, you should hope that's just a rumor. I don't know which is more idiotic -- charging $5 extra to fly on a 190, or making more full-fare seats available on an airplane that has fewer seats in total. I know JetBlue does some things differently, but economics is pretty much the same for all the airlines.

I think you miss the point. The intention is to use the 320 on long-haul, where RASM is a bit lower (and where the 190 is out of range), and use 190 mainly on short-haul, which will push CASM up a bit for the 190, but RASM is already higher on those routes - probably enough to cover the extra cost. For mid-range routes (which they don't have too many of), could go either way, so decisions will probably be based on available yields and traffic potential. Most routes will be either all 320 or all 190, plus a few seasonal routes that will alternate. For the seasonals, yield can be enhanced in the off (190) season without raising fares by decreasing capacity more at the lower fares, less at the higher fares.

prhs1989 Jan 8, 2005 7:48 am

NYC-BOS Shuttle
 
This article, which came out today, talks about how Jetblue will probably create a shuttle between JFK-Bos with their E-190. I would think that it would be used as more of a connector to the rest of their system then an actual shuttle.

http://www.boston.com/business/artic...huttle_market/

bursa Jan 8, 2005 9:59 am


Originally Posted by mbstone
I vote for IAD-NAS. Or IAD-JFK. Or anything at DCA.

DCA is capacity/gate constrained. Unless US sells some of its assets there, no way B6 is going to get in.
Anyway, it'd be interesting to see how b6's cost structure works if it offers short-haul flights and many connections (JFK-BOS) like a legacy, although they still have a ways to go.


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