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EAL Jan 24, 2010 8:25 pm

New Cities
 
Does anyone have any inside information or thoughts or ideas of any new cities that Jet Blue may start serving this year? I'm still REALLY hoping PHL comes in sometime soon ;-)

Brigri Jan 25, 2010 7:18 am

The crewmembers who know what cities are coming cannot just announce them here, B6 takes these boards very seriously. Also, remember there are no new aircraft deliveries in 2010, so any new cities would come with the existing fleet, and they can squeeze some more utilization out of them. I am sure if an opportunity opens up at PHL they might jump in. With BOS-BWI being succesful you never know.

JetBlueFA Jan 25, 2010 9:06 am

I wouldn't look for much expansion thise year. The big project is the change over to Sabre and getting that system up and running and full operational. Possibly some new routes or increased frequencies once Sabre is operational but I wouldn't expect much beyond that.

sfozrhfco Jan 28, 2010 8:30 am

Actually there will be 4 new E190s coming this year as per the conference call today.

Seat13c Jan 28, 2010 8:37 am


Originally Posted by sfozrhfco (Post 13274064)
Actually there will be 4 new E190s coming this year as per the conference call today.

Just because there are more E190's coming doesn't mean new cities are coming. Remember, other than new cities, the new birds can be thrown on new routes between existing city pairs, increase frequencies on existing routes, or do more charters. This, ofcourse, is not factoring in replacing any existing aircrafts which I think is unlikely at this point.

Brigri Jan 28, 2010 8:50 am


Originally Posted by sfozrhfco (Post 13274064)
Actually there will be 4 new E190s coming this year as per the conference call today.

I saw that, interesting that they moved these deliveries up to 2010. Maybe some more connecting the dots, using these to build new markets might also work.

jeeden Jan 28, 2010 9:49 am

I sure wish they would move in on the IAD-MHT routes. Independence used to have great service, but the minute they went out of business UA, Delta, and the others jacked the prices WAY up again.

gsupstate Jan 28, 2010 11:31 am


Originally Posted by jeeden (Post 13274564)
I sure wish they would move in on the IAD-MHT routes. Independence used to have great service, but the minute they went out of business UA, Delta, and the others jacked the prices WAY up again.

Sure would like to see B6 at GSP (yeah, I know I'm dreaming). We had Independence here, too. GSP was one of their better-performing stations! Our air service is just barely acceptable for a metro like ours now.

ellinj Jan 28, 2010 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by gsupstate (Post 13275194)
Sure would like to see B6 at GSP (yeah, I know I'm dreaming). We had Independence here, too. GSP was one of their better-performing stations! Our air service is just barely acceptable for a metro like ours now.

I'd prefer CHS.

Brigri Jan 28, 2010 4:44 pm

SJU
 

Originally Posted by Brigri (Post 13274182)
I saw that, interesting that they moved these deliveries up to 2010. Maybe some more connecting the dots, using these to build new markets might also work.

Actually I just read the transcript and Dave did allude to having intensive meetings in San Juan...... maybe base some 190's there?

sbm12 Jan 28, 2010 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by Brigri (Post 13277464)
Actually I just read the transcript and Dave did allude to having intensive meetings in San Juan...... maybe base some 190's there?

Wouldn't surprise me. With the way AA has abandoned markets in SJU there are a number of (likely profitable) opportunities ripe for taking. That being said, they are focusing on positive free cash flow these days which means making money without any special accounting tricks. It'll be interesting to see what revenue they can drive with these new deliveries to cover the acquisition costs.

nerd Jan 28, 2010 6:10 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13277559)
Wouldn't surprise me. With the way AA has abandoned markets in SJU there are a number of (likely profitable) opportunities ripe for taking.

Maybe OT, but what has AA been doing recently in SJU?

MrPresident1776 Jan 31, 2010 1:21 pm

New 2010 Cities
 
I'll bet we'll see additional Caribbean destinations although not as many as in 2009.

Service to Port of Spain from JFK has been kicked around for a while and fits Jetblue's target of a tourist destination but with some VFR traffic.
Hopefully, B6 will continue to add international flights from Orlando.
Belize City, Mexico City and Panama City would be excellent additions using the E190 although Mexico City may have to use the A320 due to their higher altitude. Delta pulled MCO-Mexico City a few years ago and only Aeromexico and Mexicana fly this route. Copa flies MCO-Panama City at least twice daily.
TACA recently began MCO-San Salvador although that market might be better served via FLL (no Spirit Airlines competition yet).

In terms of new routes between existing cities, MCO-Santiago with the E190 comes to mind as that area of DR is fairly affluent. MCO-Kingston also comes to mind. FLL-Montego Bay and/or Kingston could begin to eat some more of Spirit's lunch.

While I'd like to see service to Philadelphia too, Southwest would likely jump on BOS-PHL if Jetblue added that and kill their margins although apparently B6 is holding it's own at BWI?

Other domestic cities that I think would fit nicely within B6's network are Hartford to Florida flights. Jetblue's got some brand recognition in the area through White Plains and Boston and could possibly drive Delta out of it's niche there as B6 did to FL at White Plains. Key West also seems to fit within B6's network with flights to FLL and/or Orlando. Airtran began 4X weekly flights to Orlando recently but Jetblue could add daily flights with the E190.

Also, I'd love to see some backfilling in LAS with US Airways pulling up the stakes but that doesn't appear very likely.

N830MH Feb 1, 2010 1:42 am


Originally Posted by MrPresident1776 (Post 13295305)
Service to Port of Spain from JFK has been kicked around for a while and fits Jetblue's target of a tourist destination but with some VFR traffic.
Hopefully, B6 will continue to add international flights from Orlando.
Belize City, Mexico City and Panama City would be excellent additions using the E190 although Mexico City may have to use the A320 due to their higher altitude. Delta pulled MCO-Mexico City a few years ago and only Aeromexico and Mexicana fly this route. Copa flies MCO-Panama City at least twice daily.
TACA recently began MCO-San Salvador although that market might be better served via FLL (no Spirit Airlines competition yet).

I doubt it if B6 will able expanding more potential new routes to Latin or Central American, too. I can't possibly if B6 will ever to expanding more new nonstop from FLL-BZE/PTY/MEX. If they will have to gets fifth freedom traffic rights through MEX. This is limited markets for only out of MCO-MEX has already existing service. I know there is no marketing to be served from FLL-BZE but, AA has already existing service from MIA-BZE only for 2 daily R/T.


Originally Posted by MrPresident1776 (Post 13295305)
In terms of new routes between existing cities, MCO-Santiago with the E190 comes to mind as that area of DR is fairly affluent. MCO-Kingston also comes to mind. FLL-Montego Bay and/or Kingston could begin to eat some more of Spirit's lunch.

It will have more tougher competition against NK & JM who flies out of FLL-KIN/MBJ recently. I can't says anything about more potential new routes out of MCO or FLL anytime soon. Right now, it won't be necessary to expanding more freqencies to be added out of FLL-KIN/MBJ for quite of the time.


Originally Posted by MrPresident1776 (Post 13295305)
While I'd like to see service to Philadelphia too, Southwest would likely jump on BOS-PHL if Jetblue added that and kill their margins although apparently B6 is holding it's own at BWI?

Unlikely, it won't be in PHL due to competitive against US, FL. I don't think such to bring B6 into PHL for awhile but, there is no gate space available for this time. It was not enough the terminal space where B6 is parked there.


Originally Posted by MrPresident1776 (Post 13295305)
Other domestic cities that I think would fit nicely within B6's network are Hartford to Florida flights. Jetblue's got some brand recognition in the area through White Plains and Boston and could possibly drive Delta out of it's niche there as B6 did to FL at White Plains. Key West also seems to fit within B6's network with flights to FLL and/or Orlando. Airtran began 4X weekly flights to Orlando recently but Jetblue could add daily flights with the E190.

It could be shorter runway into EYW due to weight restricted. Don't be sure if they will able landed into shorter runway is 4800 length feet. This is weight restrictions and EYW will be very expensive fares out of MCO-EYW what as FL did already served into EYW through one-stop ATL-MCO-EYW. I believe the loads are doing extremely performance very well. It could be workout very well from MCO or FLL-EYW nonstop. The E90 will have more seriously weight restrictions but, it will have a limited only 50 or 60 passengers to flying into the shorter runway.

MrPresident1776 Feb 2, 2010 3:25 pm

E190
 

It could be shorter runway into EYW due to weight restricted. Don't be sure if they will able landed into shorter runway is 4800 length feet. This is weight restrictions and EYW will be very expensive fares out of MCO-EYW what as FL did already served into EYW through one-stop ATL-MCO-EYW. I believe the loads are doing extremely performance very well. It could be workout very well from MCO or FLL-EYW nonstop. The E90 will have more seriously weight restrictions but, it will have a limited only 50 or 60 passengers to flying into the shorter runway.
Check this out.
http://www.aerospace-technology.com/...s/embraer_190/
The E190's has a field take off performance of 1,463m and EYW's runway is exactly that length. BA and Azul use the E190 at London City and Santos Dumont without serious weight restrictions. B6 probably wouldn't have much for weight restrictions as FLL or MCO aren't terribly far away.


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