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Dieuwer Mar 7, 2010 2:48 pm

Is B6 afraid of DL? No flights from BOS to ATL, DTW, MSP, and SLC.

bmg42000 Mar 7, 2010 3:24 pm

B6 to ATL/DTW/MSP
 
There is already a LCC on the ATL-NY route (Airtran) . Spirit flies the NY-DTW route and I don't think B6 views MSP has a money making routes (especially since NW does not handle other carriers flying to MSP well) .

Dieuwer Mar 7, 2010 4:26 pm


Originally Posted by bmg42000 (Post 13530205)
There is already a LCC on the ATL-NY route (Airtran) . Spirit flies the NY-DTW route and I don't think B6 views MSP has a money making routes (especially since NW does not handle other carriers flying to MSP well) .

NY is not BOS

sbm12 Mar 7, 2010 8:52 pm


Originally Posted by dieuwer2 (Post 13530048)
Is B6 afraid of DL? No flights from BOS to ATL, DTW, MSP, and SLC.

B6 has no service to any of those cities other than the VERY limited service to SLC. I'm not sure that they're afraid of DL so much as not wanting to get into a fight on routes they see as likely to be low yield.

bosnyc Mar 7, 2010 9:15 pm

I could be wrong, but didn't B6 fly JFK-ATL at somepoint VERY early in their history? I believe it was compeition with FL, and not DL that foced them to pull out.

JetBlueFA Mar 7, 2010 10:00 pm

Yes we pulled out of ATL very quickly. We only had service to OAK and LGB from ATL. We never served JFK from ATL. DL quickly countered and defended ATL with triple milage rewards on these routes.

rtalk25 Mar 11, 2010 9:05 am


Originally Posted by EAL (Post 13248981)
Does anyone have any inside information or thoughts or ideas of any new cities that Jet Blue may start serving this year? I'm still REALLY hoping PHL comes in sometime soon ;-)

Regarding B6 and Philadelphia, I think they could find nice opportunity with ACY, and tap Philadelphia but not be directly engaged in US vs. WN fare wars, and meanwhile get casino subsidy revenue.

They could start ACY-ORD as the Atlantic City coalition is looking for a Chicago flight. From ORD one can connect to the Long Beach, CA flight also.

Maybe ACY-CLT, attract business traffic that doesn't want to be ripped off by US monopoly from the Delaware Valley to the Southeast US (CLT metro, areas in South Carolina and Georgia) where flying cheaply to RDU doesn't cut it, as CLT is closer in to final destination than RDU.

If timed correctly, CLT-ACY-ORD could provide an alternate and shorter duration for taking B6 from CLT to reach ORD, without connecting in JFK. Would be similar to FL's BOS-Newport News VA-ATL route. Flight between large airports where stopover is in a small airport ;)

Finally, they could take on ACY-BOS (already covered by NK), and could probably win over NK, which charges for bags and seats and has lower customer service. The Philadelphia region-BOS region maybe oversaturated with US, WN competing on PHL-BOS, PHL-PVD, PHL-MHT, NK's ACY-BOS, and train services from Amtrak though.

WN could start CLT service and fly CLT-PHL but that happening is probably years away (unless US ceases quicker), and WN would have to deal with fare wars with US in the meantime.

Seat13c Mar 11, 2010 11:44 am


Originally Posted by rtalk25 (Post 13555777)
Regarding B6 and Philadelphia, I think they could find nice opportunity with ACY, and tap Philadelphia but not be directly engaged in US vs. WN fare wars, and meanwhile get casino subsidy revenue.

They could start ACY-ORD as the Atlantic City coalition is looking for a Chicago flight. From ORD one can connect to the Long Beach, CA flight also.

Maybe ACY-CLT, attract business traffic that doesn't want to be ripped off by US monopoly from the Delaware Valley to the Southeast US (CLT metro, areas in South Carolina and Georgia) where flying cheaply to RDU doesn't cut it, as CLT is closer in to final destination than RDU.

If timed correctly, CLT-ACY-ORD could provide an alternate and shorter duration for taking B6 from CLT to reach ORD, without connecting in JFK. Would be similar to FL's BOS-Newport News VA-ATL route. Flight between large airports where stopover is in a small airport ;)

Finally, they could take on ACY-BOS (already covered by NK), and could probably win over NK, which charges for bags and seats and has lower customer service. The Philadelphia region-BOS region maybe oversaturated with US, WN competing on PHL-BOS, PHL-PVD, PHL-MHT, NK's ACY-BOS, and train services from Amtrak though.

WN could start CLT service and fly CLT-PHL but that happening is probably years away (unless US ceases quicker), and WN would have to deal with fare wars with US in the meantime.

You know, you may have something there. Never thought of ACY with just serving CLT, BOS, and ORD. The hard part is that there are no current data feeds on those routes to make a sound judgement on where or not that would work. Also, would there be slots available at ORD? Available terminal space at ACY?

N830MH Mar 11, 2010 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by JetBlueFA (Post 13532321)
Yes we pulled out of ATL very quickly. We only had service to OAK and LGB from ATL. We never served JFK from ATL. DL quickly countered and defended ATL with triple milage rewards on these routes.

Yes unfortunately, it was so tougher competition against FL & DL, too. That's why B6 has been already pulled out of ATL immediately. it might to be very extremely difficulties time due to new competition against DL has already existing service to LAX.


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