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Jay71 Jun 12, 2008 2:21 pm

Miso soup with Fish
 
We had some delicious, what I'm assuming was, miso soup a few times during our trip. The reason, I'm unsure is because the miso soup I'm used to in Vancouver typically has some seaweed & some small squares of tofu and a very simple salty taste to it. (And if I get it as part of a set, I usually give to my friend or wife.) However, the miso soups we had in Japan had a deeper fish flavour with a chunk of fish bone/stock material in the bowl.

This was miso soup that we had right? Is it normal to include the chunk of fish? The chunk of fish was more bone than flesh but are you supposed to scape off and eat the limited flesh?

TIA.

LapLap Jun 12, 2008 4:10 pm

Were you eating in a lot of sushi places?

Miso shiru varies from region to region, and, supposedly from family to family (the ideal is that a child can pick out his/her mother's from the multitude). I've made dashi for miso shiru using shaved bonito plenty of times, I still haven't tried making it with dried sardines.

Also the additions to this soup will commonly vary according to the season. Lots of tiny little slimy mushrooms make it into the soup in October, and little clams are common in the winter.

I suppose that restaurants that serve sushi and sashimi end up with large quantities of good quality fish pieces near the bone and these will make a great addition to a stock.

Just my own conclusions from observation.

YVR Cockroach Jun 12, 2008 4:16 pm

I don't know the secret of making miso stock (dashi) but it does involve a fair amount of shaved dried bonito and it seems other dried seafood and seaweed (for a more intense flavour). I guess the soup you had was because there was some fish trimmings available. I typically use sockeye trimming (I buy the whole gutted fish) and make a dashi with it. Haven't got the right flavour (not enough dried bonito?)

Jay71 Jun 12, 2008 4:33 pm

Come to think of it, I think you guys nailed it. I believe the places that I recall that included the fish chunk/bone were the couple of sushi places we ate at when we ordered a set. I still enjoyed the other miso soups we had at other restaurants better than what's mainly served here locally but wow what a difference a good stock makes.

ksandness Jun 12, 2008 10:03 pm

LapLap is right. Miso soup is not one thing--it's more a category of soups. While tofu chunks and wakame in a light brown broth is the most common recipe, there are other common variations. Actually, miso itself comes in several varieties. The grocery department of a typical Japanese department stores has a whole counter devoted to different varieties of miso, ranging from light tan to dark reddish brown.

LapLap Jun 13, 2008 12:17 am


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 9870011)
I typically use sockeye trimming (I buy the whole gutted fish) and make a dashi with it. Haven't got the right flavour (not enough dried bonito?)

I'll assume you're also using kombu (vital).

Take a look at this clip, 4:31
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5cLK0T9d6I

I'm not sure what you mean about getting it 'right' as it's completely down to personal preference.

You might like to try using niboshi, it's possible that that's the taste you're hankering after.

Pickles Jun 13, 2008 9:10 am

Many sushi restaurants will serve miso with all kinds of fish leftovers in there, yum! Fishheads, fishheads, roly poly fishheads, fishheads, fishheads, eat them up yum!

LapLap Jun 13, 2008 9:29 am

OMD, Barnes & Barnes...

Having a problem with Flashbacks?

Pickles Jun 13, 2008 9:51 am


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 9873885)
OMD, Barnes & Barnes...

Having a problem with Flashbacks?

Yes, it is 1985 and I'm wearing leather pants, a silk shirt, Ray Bans and a mullet.

abmj-jr Jun 13, 2008 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by Pickles (Post 9873751)
... Fishheads, fishheads, roly poly fishheads, fishheads, fishheads, eat them up yum!

Are you letting Smidgen use the computer again?

mjm Jun 13, 2008 10:24 pm

Hey I resembled that remark back then. :)

And just how widespread was Dr. Demento? Thought it as more local. Obviously he was syndicated way beyond the borders of where I grew up. Learn something new everyday.




Originally Posted by Pickles (Post 9874009)
Yes, it is 1985 and I'm wearing leather pants, a silk shirt, Ray Bans and a mullet.


abmj-jr Jun 13, 2008 10:34 pm


Originally Posted by mjm (Post 9877617)
Hey I resembled that remark back then. :)
...

Even the mullet? I am sooo disillusioned.

mjm Jun 13, 2008 10:51 pm

Past the shoulders even.

Miso soup has changed my life. :)


Originally Posted by abmj-jr (Post 9877639)
Even the mullet? I am sooo disillusioned.


Sanosuke Jun 13, 2008 11:00 pm

Miso soup is my tradition whenever I have a Japanese meal.. always have it before the entree arrives. :D Theres just no other way I'd have it. Except for maybe mjm's special mabodofu outings! :D

Oh I just remembered. When I had Miso soup at the Ueno station one year I put my long chopsticks in the bowl only to be nearly freightened when theres a prawn's eye and head bobbing out at the surface peering me in the eye as if to say "Don't eat me, I'm salty!" I just took it out as calmly as I could and continued to enjoy the miso soup minus the prawn heads... *laughs* Such a scary day that it was but I had the sushi bar as well!

Sanosuke!

LapLap Jun 13, 2008 11:40 pm


Originally Posted by mjm (Post 9877617)
And just how widespread was Dr. Demento? Thought it as more local. Obviously he was syndicated way beyond the borders of where I grew up. Learn something new everyday.

Special case here, I also harbour a fondness for Negativland (Booh! U2:td:) and The Residents.


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