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CPH-Flyer Jul 12, 2022 7:25 pm


Originally Posted by seigex (Post 34420317)
It's JAL-JAL.. The flight is consistently early/on time and gates are pretty close to each other, so i'm not worried about delays, but JAL's website only shows MCT info for Domestic-Domestic, International-Domestic, and Domestic-International, so I'm not sure what the MCT is for internatonal to international is. That's my concern is if 50 minutes is enough for bags to change planes and recent experiences from someone transitting to know how long transit security coming from BKK has been taking.

If they are willing to book it as a single ticket, that will make it within MCT. I'd worry more about the passenger than the bags though.

Gates being close does not matter so much, as what is the walk to transit security and back to the gate.....

bmwe92fan Jul 12, 2022 7:50 pm


Originally Posted by seigex (Post 34420317)
It's JAL-JAL.. The flight is consistently early/on time and gates are pretty close to each other, so i'm not worried about delays, but JAL's website only shows MCT info for Domestic-Domestic, International-Domestic, and Domestic-International, so I'm not sure what the MCT is for internatonal to international is. That's my concern is if 50 minutes is enough for bags to change planes and recent experiences from someone transitting to know how long transit security coming from BKK has been taking.

If there is one airport / country in the world where I would not worry about a 50 minute connection -- it's Tokyo (both Narita and Haneda). If your flight is even slightly delayed I would imagine you will be met at the gate and escorted directly to priority security -- bottom line is don't sweat it -- it will be fine.

Andrew Davidson Jul 12, 2022 8:02 pm

Layover at 1:50 AM
 
I am attempting to book a "backup" trip in case Japan is closed this October. I am wanting to go to Vietnam. The rules I read are that if you are transiting that it has to be the same "calendar day". Normally, I would read that from midnight to midnight... However, there is a 1:25 AM flight on JAL to Ho Chi Minh City. If my flight on ANA (F Suites) arrived at 5:00 PM, would I be allowed to transit through HND on the 1:25 AM (Typo in the title of 1:50 AM) flight the next day (so 8 hour 25 minute layover). They're not the same alliance so I'm wondering if I would run into trouble there as well. Any advice on if this is possible would be greatly appreciated. I really don't want to lose my ANA F Suites out of JFK since we were able to book two seats with Virgin Atlantic points. Thanks for any input into if this is possible!

seigex Jul 12, 2022 8:56 pm


Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer (Post 34420333)
If they are willing to book it as a single ticket, that will make it within MCT. I'd worry more about the passenger than the bags though.

Gates being close does not matter so much, as what is the walk to transit security and back to the gate.....


Originally Posted by bmwe92fan (Post 34420375)
If there is one airport / country in the world where I would not worry about a 50 minute connection -- it's Tokyo (both Narita and Haneda). If your flight is even slightly delayed I would imagine you will be met at the gate and escorted directly to priority security -- bottom line is don't sweat it -- it will be fine.

I realize I've been doing my bookings wrong to get a single PNR from JL awards on AA. If I use multicity, I'm able to get BKK-NRT-LAX on a single ticket instead of booking separate, which doesn't show up if i just book straight through from BKK-LAX. So I'm pretty confident with the flight. And it's 1 hour instead of 50 minutes (arrives 4:20p, flight takes off at 5:20pm), so it's still tight, but better than I expected. Thanks for the replies.

jib71 Jul 12, 2022 9:42 pm


Originally Posted by Andrew Davidson (Post 34420402)
IIf my flight on ANA (F Suites) arrived at 5:00 PM, would I be allowed to transit through HND on the 1:25 AM

If your ANA flight arrives at HND at 5:00PM, you can connect to an international departure from HND at 1:25 AM next day.
At HND the international terminal is open overnight and connecting passengers can stay airside. Your connection will not turn into a pumpkin at midnight.

Exec_Plat Jul 12, 2022 11:48 pm


Originally Posted by Andrew Davidson (Post 34420402)
The rules I read are that if you are transiting that it has to be the same "calendar day".

That 'rule' is only at NRT. They close overnight. Not @ HND

Andrew Davidson Jul 13, 2022 9:08 am


Originally Posted by Exec_Plat (Post 34420764)
That 'rule' is only at NRT. They close overnight. Not @ HND

thank you so much! One more follow up question… can the layover be over 24 hours? I can get business class if I have a 24 hour and 5 minute layover. Not sure if I would book it, but just wondering if it’s an option. Thanks!

AlwaysAisle Jul 13, 2022 11:48 am


Originally Posted by Andrew Davidson (Post 34421845)
thank you so much! One more follow up question… can the layover be over 24 hours? I can get business class if I have a 24 hour and 5 minute layover. Not sure if I would book it, but just wondering if it’s an option. Thanks!

24 hrs. and 5 min. transit at HND should be fine. You mentioned "back-up plan," does this mean you will have two separate tickets, one ticket for JFK-HND on ANA and another separate ticket for from HND to another destination? If you are going to have checked baggage then you want to check with ANA. It will be up to an airline, it is nothing to do with a policy of HND, to through check baggage on two separate tickets or not. If you are unable to enter Japan then you will not able to retrieve your checked baggage at HND and recheck with the airline departing HND.

Andrew Davidson Jul 13, 2022 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by AlwaysAisle (Post 34422383)
24 hrs. and 5 min. transit at HND should be fine. You mentioned "back-up plan," does this mean you will have two separate tickets, one ticket for JFK-HND on ANA and another separate ticket for from HND to another destination? If you are going to have checked baggage then you want to check with ANA. It will be up to an airline, it is nothing to do with a policy of HND, to through check baggage on two separate tickets or not. If you are unable to enter Japan then you will not able to retrieve your checked baggage at HND and recheck with the airline departing HND.

gotcha, thank you for the heads up!

CPH-Flyer Jul 13, 2022 3:05 pm


Originally Posted by Andrew Davidson (Post 34421845)
thank you so much! One more follow up question… can the layover be over 24 hours? I can get business class if I have a 24 hour and 5 minute layover. Not sure if I would book it, but just wondering if it’s an option. Thanks!


Originally Posted by AlwaysAisle (Post 34422383)
24 hrs. and 5 min. transit at HND should be fine. You mentioned "back-up plan," does this mean you will have two separate tickets, one ticket for JFK-HND on ANA and another separate ticket for from HND to another destination? If you are going to have checked baggage then you want to check with ANA. It will be up to an airline, it is nothing to do with a policy of HND, to through check baggage on two separate tickets or not. If you are unable to enter Japan then you will not able to retrieve your checked baggage at HND and recheck with the airline departing HND.

If the transit is more than 24 hours, you will have to reclaim luggage if you have checked luggage, so you will need to enter Japan. Depending on the timing, and specifics of arrival, even if you have no checked luggage transit security might not allow you through, as it would not be a connection but a stopover, and in all likelihood, the airline would deny boarding on the first flight if the borders are not opened by the time the flight is to take place.

bmwe92fan Jul 13, 2022 5:16 pm

Just a heads up to all re: Narita Terminal 1 - ANA has just opened a new lounge opened near gate 22 that is basically for star alliance customers -- it has the usual decent NH food (for a lounge) but has no view at all as it is down one level -- the drinks are also decent -- and the club is closer than the over-crowded main NH lounge near the gates in the 50's.... Service was excellent and the lounge did not get too busy -- just keep walking past the Korean Airlines lounge to the end where you will see the signs for the ANA lounge...

Q Shoe Guy Jul 13, 2022 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by bmwe92fan (Post 34423435)
Just a heads up to all re: Narita Terminal 1 - ANA has just opened a new lounge opened near gate 22 that is basically for star alliance customers -- it has the usual decent NH food (for a lounge) but has no view at all as it is down one level -- the drinks are also decent -- and the club is closer than the over-crowded main NH lounge near the gates in the 50's.... Service was excellent and the lounge did not get too busy -- just keep walking past the Korean Airlines lounge to the end where you will see the signs for the ANA lounge...

As an aside , what became of the NWA/DL lounge ? Did you happen to notice ?

bmwe92fan Jul 13, 2022 5:37 pm


Originally Posted by Q Shoe Guy (Post 34423478)
As an aside , what became of the NWA/DL lounge ? Did you happen to notice ?

I think it is now called the "Narita Travel Lounge" -- not associated with any airline. As I mentioned in another thread Narita Airside seems as busy as ever -- landside it's still virtually empty -- and most all of the stores airside are still closed.... We got to watch Abe's funeral procession as we waited for our flight to NYC - regardless of your politics it was a sad and moving event....

paperwastage Jul 13, 2022 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by bmwe92fan (Post 34423435)
Just a heads up to all re: Narita Terminal 1 - ANA has just opened a new lounge opened near gate 22 that is basically for star alliance customers -- it has the usual decent NH food (for a lounge) but has no view at all as it is down one level -- the drinks are also decent -- and the club is closer than the over-crowded main NH lounge near the gates in the 50's.... Service was excellent and the lounge did not get too busy -- just keep walking past the Korean Airlines lounge to the end where you will see the signs for the ANA lounge...

https://www.anahd.co.jp/group/en/pr/...0200120-2.html

It's this one that was supposed to open April 2020. Seems to have opened july1 2022

https://www.ana.co.jp/en/us/travel-i...ounges/narita/


Any pic? Would be good to add it to

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-...idated-10.html

LOUNGE OPERATING HOURSSatellite No. 4: Temporarily closed

Satellite No. 5: 7:00 a.m. until the departure of the final flight of the day

Satellite No. 2: 1:00 p.m. - 6:55 p.m <-

bmwe92fan Jul 13, 2022 8:04 pm


Originally Posted by paperwastage (Post 34423729)
Any pic? Would be good to add it to

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-...idated-10.html

Sorry we didn't take any pictures -- just imagine an ANA lounge with no windows and you've got it -- restrooms were nice and very clean as was the facility -- my only complaint was that it was a bit warm -- post 311 Japanese warm lol -- my Japanese wife didn't complain about the temperature or the Karage / Champagne....


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