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vegasbased Apr 28, 2022 7:38 pm

NRT Transfer on two seperate tickets
 
Hi all, this is my first time posting on Flyertalk.

I was looking at booking a rather interesting ticket through NRT. There are cheap cash tickets to fly from LA to Tokyo via YVR on AC, so would be possible to fly that ticket, then transfer onto an ANA flight on Virgin Atlantic stock to SGN? Thank you!

CPH-Flyer Apr 28, 2022 8:56 pm


Originally Posted by vegasbased (Post 34205520)
Hi all, this is my first time posting on Flyertalk.

I was looking at booking a rather interesting ticket through NRT. There are cheap cash tickets to fly from LA to Tokyo via YVR on AC, so would be possible to fly that ticket, then transfer onto an ANA flight on Virgin Atlantic stock to SGN? Thank you!

As long as it is not an overnight connection. And you leave time for the connection to not be impossible. Then it is fine.

vegasbased Apr 30, 2022 11:37 pm

NRT Layover Question
 

Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer (Post 34205635)
As long as it is not an overnight connection. And you leave time for the connection to not be impossible. Then it is fine.

The layover is going to be 3 hours long. Is that too short? Sorry for the delayed response. And I guess I'll be fine in LA if I prove that I have an onward ticket.

CPH-Flyer May 1, 2022 12:20 am


Originally Posted by vegasbased (Post 34210762)
The layover is going to be 3 hours long. Is that too short? Sorry for the delayed response. And I guess I'll be fine in LA if I prove that I have an onward ticket.

Yes, 3 hours should be fine.

Yes, in LA you will need to show your onward ticket, easiest to have a print of the e ticket. And be able to show that you fulfil the entry requirements for your final destination.

Andrew Kim May 2, 2022 10:18 pm

I apologize in advance that this same question was most likely asked/answered somewhere in the previous 38 pages, but I am wondering if whether a "tourists can't enter Japan" exemption can be made in my following scenario. Note: I understand that crossing the immigration checkpoint at the airport constitutes "entering Japan" even though your physical body has not left the airport.

I have an upcoming LAX-HND flight later this summer. I don't qualify for any special exemptions to enter Japan (not a student; not a business traveler). But rather than cancel my ticket, what if I still fly into HND, and have a separate one-way out the same day to a third country? My foot will never leave Haneda.

However, because segment 1 and segment 2 are separate tickets I am forced to retrieve my checked luggage from the carousel, then recheck it at departures for the second flight. If I show the immigration officer proof of same day onward journey, can they make an exception for me to "enter Japan" to pick up my bags and immediately head upstairs to departures hall? I will have a negative PCR printout in accordance with the third country's requirement (identical to Japan's 48 hour rule) that I can show to Japan's customs.

SFO777 May 3, 2022 6:48 am

I have a 4 hour NRT connection tomorrow night between 6pm-10pm... SQ11 (LAX) to EK319. Since EK has still apparently not reopened its Lounge, is anything (bars, restaurants) open for all or part of my 4 hour wait?

CPH-Flyer May 3, 2022 7:18 am


Originally Posted by SFO777 (Post 34216760)
I have a 4 hour NRT connection tomorrow night between 6pm-10pm... SQ11 (LAX) to EK319. Since EK has still apparently not reopened its Lounge, is anything (bars, restaurants) open for all or part of my 4 hour wait?

I think most outlets are still closed around the time you will be airside. After the quick bus ride from T1 to T2, it will probably be closer to 7pm than 6pm.

gbongc May 3, 2022 3:22 pm

Schedule change question, layover increased by 24hrs
Original booking on JL metal, though my ticket was booked through AA,. AA has told me that it is an invalid itinerary (due to the schedule change), but I remain ticketed from JL point of view.

LAX-NRT arriving wednesday 4:40pm connecting same day NRT-HKG leaving wednesday 8pm
JL stopped flying NRT-HKG 8pm departures on wednesdays, so got rescheduled NRT-HKG to fly out thursday at 8pm, which leads to a 27hr layover

I understand that NRT doesn't allow overnight layovers, will I be able to enter Japan (US citizen) to satisfy layover and continue onwards to NRT-HKG as scheduled?
There's no more award space to Japan arriving thursday, and AA agent said one world liaison denied request to ask JL to open space. Any advice?

yamauchig May 3, 2022 3:31 pm


Originally Posted by gbongc (Post 34218334)
Schedule change question, layover increased by 24hrs
Original booking on JL metal, though my ticket was booked through AA,. AA has told me that it is an invalid itinerary (due to the schedule change), but I remain ticketed from JL point of view.

LAX-NRT arriving wednesday 4:40pm connecting same day NRT-HKG leaving wednesday 8pm
JL stopped flying NRT-HKG 8pm departures on wednesdays, so got rescheduled NRT-HKG to fly out thursday at 8pm, which leads to a 27hr layover

I understand that NRT doesn't allow overnight layovers, will I be able to enter Japan (US citizen) to satisfy layover and continue onwards to NRT-HKG as scheduled?
There's no more award space to Japan arriving thursday, and AA agent said one world liaison denied request to ask JL to open space. Any advice?

As a "non Japanese national" , and you do not qualify as an exemption (ie student, sponsored businessman) you will not be permitted to enter Japan. Border control, Japan immigrations do
not care that this is an airline schedule change. The rule is you cannot overnight at NRT and you cannot enter the country.

CPH-Flyer May 3, 2022 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by SFO777 (Post 34216760)
I have a 4 hour NRT connection tomorrow night between 6pm-10pm... SQ11 (LAX) to EK319. Since EK has still apparently not reopened its Lounge, is anything (bars, restaurants) open for all or part of my 4 hour wait?


Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer (Post 34216826)
I think most outlets are still closed around the time you will be airside. After the quick bus ride from T1 to T2, it will probably be closer to 7pm than 6pm.

You can check opening hours here

https://www.narita-airport.jp/en/sho...585&terminal=2

SFO777 May 4, 2022 4:45 am

Currently at Gate 74 waiting to board EK319. My transit at NRT was painless. SQ arrived at Gate 35 and I was on the bus at Gate 28A about 30 minutes after landing. Sad to see how completely empty NRT is. I was the only person on inter-terminal bus which seems to be "on demand" as we departed as soon as I boarded. Both SQ and EK at NRT were aware of my complete itinerary. Sign board with my name on arrival, and the EK agent knew I was connecting from LAX. She did a doc check and issued my BPs at the EK gate.

TravelLawyer May 4, 2022 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by Andrew Kim (Post 34216037)
However, because segment 1 and segment 2 are separate tickets I am forced to retrieve my checked luggage from the carousel, then recheck it at departures for the second flight. If I show the immigration officer proof of same day onward journey, can they make an exception for me to "enter Japan" to pick up my bags and immediately head upstairs to departures hall? I will have a negative PCR printout in accordance with the third country's requirement (identical to Japan's 48 hour rule) that I can show to Japan's customs.

I don't believe this has been answered. From my understanding, even with separate tickets, the initiating carriers should be able to check baggage through. But if not (i.e. no interline agreement), then I think they send someone to retrieve your bags so you don't have to depart the "airside" part of the terminal. But under no circumstances can you enter Japan even if to retrieve bags. That's from reading websites not from actual experience. Curious to know what is actually in practice.

seigex May 4, 2022 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by TravelLawyer (Post 34221025)
I don't believe this has been answered. From my understanding, even with separate tickets, the initiating carriers should be able to check baggage through. But if not (i.e. no interline agreement), then I think they send someone to retrieve your bags so you don't have to depart the "airside" part of the terminal. But under no circumstances can you enter Japan even if to retrieve bags. That's from reading websites not from actual experience. Curious to know what is actually in practice.

I can confirm checking through on separate itineraries for certain airlines (usually in the same alliance), I've done this with United to ANA and visa-versa with no problem.


But if not (i.e. no interline agreement), then I think they send someone to retrieve your bags so you don't have to depart the "airside" part of the terminal.
If this is the case, then that would change a lot. I think the going understanding in this thread has been that you have to enter to get your bags (which isn't possible unless you have a visa), and not that they would retrieve them for you.

CPH-Flyer May 4, 2022 4:14 pm


Originally Posted by Andrew Kim (Post 34216037)
I apologize in advance that this same question was most likely asked/answered somewhere in the previous 38 pages, but I am wondering if whether a "tourists can't enter Japan" exemption can be made in my following scenario. Note: I understand that crossing the immigration checkpoint at the airport constitutes "entering Japan" even though your physical body has not left the airport.

I have an upcoming LAX-HND flight later this summer. I don't qualify for any special exemptions to enter Japan (not a student; not a business traveler). But rather than cancel my ticket, what if I still fly into HND, and have a separate one-way out the same day to a third country? My foot will never leave Haneda.

However, because segment 1 and segment 2 are separate tickets I am forced to retrieve my checked luggage from the carousel, then recheck it at departures for the second flight. If I show the immigration officer proof of same day onward journey, can they make an exception for me to "enter Japan" to pick up my bags and immediately head upstairs to departures hall? I will have a negative PCR printout in accordance with the third country's requirement (identical to Japan's 48 hour rule) that I can show to Japan's customs.


Originally Posted by TravelLawyer (Post 34221025)
I don't believe this has been answered. From my understanding, even with separate tickets, the initiating carriers should be able to check baggage through. But if not (i.e. no interline agreement), then I think they send someone to retrieve your bags so you don't have to depart the "airside" part of the terminal. But under no circumstances can you enter Japan even if to retrieve bags. That's from reading websites not from actual experience. Curious to know what is actually in practice.

There are no problems travelling through Haneda on separate tickets. If the LAX HND ticket is ANA or UA, just pick a Star Alliance carrier for a flight on a separate ticket, and there is also no issue in checking luggage through. If it JAL or AA, just pick a Oneworld carrier. Should it be Delta, I am not sure where there rules are.

If the airline can't check luggage in across the tickets, e.g. UA to JAL, you will not be allowed to travel with luggage, as you will not be able to enter Japan to reclaim the luggage, and the airline will not pick it up for you.

TravelLawyer May 4, 2022 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by seigex (Post 34221131)
I think the going understanding in this thread has been that you have to enter to get your bags (which isn't possible unless you have a visa), and not that they would retrieve them for you.


Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer (Post 34221611)
If the airline can't check luggage in across the tickets, e.g. UA to JAL, you will not be allowed to travel with luggage, as you will not be able to enter Japan to reclaim the luggage, and the airline will not pick it up for you.

Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't remember where I saw that (and of course I can't find it again).


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