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LapLap Mar 21, 2018 1:35 am

Looking more and more like there is a gap in the market here. Something that has surprised me. Mind you, one of the strangest parts of getting to know other countries is getting one's head around the wildly different perceptions to and management of risks. The "when in Rome" adage doesn't always cut it.
The idea of customising puncture proof gloves/arm sleeves is becoming more compelling.

mjm Mar 21, 2018 3:34 am


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 29549444)
Almost perfect, it's just the fleece lining that worries me - they seem to be designed for warmth as much as protection.

So look through amazon.co.jp for other choices within the same category. I only posted one of many :) Or possibly stitch some elastic into the top and cuff of the calf portion of a pair of jeans that have been cut off from the rest of the jeans. Texas advice on snakes sounds like good advice and this will get you around someone who prefers not to wear jeans. And be cheap. And fit the travel schedule. :)

LapLap Mar 21, 2018 3:55 am

Thanks, mjm! The search terms you gave (and those I could extract from the example you provided) were very useful. So have already combed through Amazon and Rakuten - but not found anything that was exactly what I am looking for. But seeing what is and isn't available has firmed up my own ideas of what I actually want. Thanks again to everybody who has contributed. Have found an ebayer selling off some HexArmor needle resistant arm sleeves and am going to adapt those. It's to protect against snakes in Japan, but there's lots of thorns and sharp foliage in the Spanish mountains, so she can wear them this summer there too. Wouldn't have thought to do this without the assistance received here.

Worcester Mar 21, 2018 4:48 am

Might a better/additional protection to check where the nearest clinic is that would have antivenom?

likethis Mar 21, 2018 5:24 am


Originally Posted by abmj-jr (Post 29548024)
I understand the concern but speaking as one who grew up in rattlesnake country, jeans and mid- to high-topped boots were always sufficient. Few snake bites occur to feet or legs when long pants are worn. The fangs just won't penetrate shoe leather or denim. The greater threat is to hands and arms when curious youngsters reach for something that catches their eye. Medium-high hiking shoes with long pants should be plenty of protection. Adding some form of hiking gaiters would make her almost invulnerable.

https://www.amazon.com/UHNT-Ultra-light-Adjustable-Gaiters-Waterproof/dp/B075QH27X8/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1521582401&sr=1-2-fkmr1&keywords=low+gaiters+for+children

On a vacation to a lodge in Costa Rica, the South African guide there had a similar response when we specifically asked for protection before going on a jungle trek.

Not 15 minutes in, this huge guy leaped back and literally screamed as a large Fer-de-lance snake reared up to his chest height. We all froze. A few minutes later, it fortunately backed down and went away. The dog he had with him had gone off the path so had avoided it.

We then had another three hours trekking with no protection, very gingerly stepping through the knee height growth.

Many hours from any hospital care, I do think that could have easily been a fatal encounter, or at least a lost limb.

Short story - definitely recommend protection for both children and adults.

LapLap Mar 21, 2018 7:05 am


Originally Posted by Worcester (Post 29549849)
Might a better/additional protection to check where the nearest clinic is that would have antivenom?

I'm not trekking ANYWHERE in Japan without knowing exactly who to call.
Anti venom in itself is nasty, nasty stuff.

As the saying goes; an ounce of prevention...

jib71 Mar 21, 2018 7:08 am

Around Shinjuku station, there are several shops that sell hiking gear. I always used to get good advice here:
L-Breath ??? | L-Breath

For an all-day hike, I'd want Goretex. But for a kid who's occasionally playing outside that may be overspec.

JamesBigglesworth Mar 21, 2018 7:58 pm


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 29549478)
Looking more and more like there is a gap in the market here. Something that has surprised me.

Not really. The risk is close to nil.

I'd be more concerned about ticks & mukade than I would about snakes. Can't comment on Okinawa, but in 7 years running around Honshu I saw snakes less than half a dozen times. Come to think of it, I saw bears more often.

LapLap Mar 22, 2018 1:03 am


Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth (Post 29552780)
Not really. The risk is close to nil.

I'd be more concerned about ticks & mukade than I would about snakes. Can't comment on Okinawa, but in 7 years running around Honshu I saw snakes less than half a dozen times. Come to think of it, I saw bears more often.

Odd isn't it? I've spent far less time going around Honshu than you and I saw snakes about half a dozen times. No bears.
Go figure.

jib71 Mar 22, 2018 4:41 am


Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth (Post 29552780)
Not really. The risk is close to nil.

Try telling that to the 50 or so people bitten in 2016
6.?????????

For purposes of comparison (of risk level), the number of automotive deaths in Okinawa in 2016 was 39
http://www.police.pref.okinawa.jp/docs/2015040700023/

(Of course, I'm trying to compare risk level - I'm not saying that being bitten is comparable to dying).

You are correct to point out that ticks etc. are also a concern.

LapLap Mar 22, 2018 6:18 am

Thank you for that link, jib71!
It seems that 2016 was a better year than usual for snake bites in Okinawa (the annual figure for the region is usually about 90-100.

Best bit in that first link was the part about snake distribution. Turns out the main "habu" isn't found on Zamami. We're visiting the terrain of her Royal High es, Hime Habu (the Okinawan Pit Viper). Apparently the Hime habu has a weaker venom for which anti-venom isn't produced. Still something to be feared and respected.

The HexArmor Superfabric sleeve arrived earlier today, I've already unpicked and disassembled it. Tried spearing myself with some Japanese scissors and there was no penetration (although a fine needle slips through with no problem). It's a good protective layer, strong, light, breathable, doesn't fray. I'll measure LapChild's legs later and then sew on some Velcro, won't need much work. (Total cost was £13.50 - just under 2,000yen - all in, they usually cost about £70). In short, LapChild will have some budget gaiters made from top of the range materials and mama is even less likely to be spending the rest of her life regretting the decision to take her hiking in the sub tropics.

jib71 Mar 22, 2018 3:07 pm


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 29553815)
I'll measure LapChild's legs later and then sew on some Velcro, won't need much work.

Impressive. You might want to add an elasticated line to the bottom hem of each gaiter, to prevent them from riding up the leg. On commercially available gaiters, you you pull the line under your heel and attach it to a hook on the hem on other side. You can see the hook on the photo in this thread.
I also recommend embroidering some mongoose designs on them for extra protection.

LapLap Mar 22, 2018 4:03 pm

Stitched with mother's love (and anxiety) is enough semamori 背守りfor this project.

Have a couple of plans to prevent any ankle flesh getting exposed, good to be reminded of this step (whole endeavour is pointless if the protection rides up.)

JamesBigglesworth Mar 28, 2018 3:28 am


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 29553270)
Odd isn't it? I've spent far less time going around Honshu than you and I saw snakes about half a dozen times. No bears.
Go figure.

Better luck next time? :)



(by which I mean good luck on the bear spotting front)

LapLap Mar 28, 2018 3:48 am


Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth (Post 29575802)
Better luck next time? :)



(by which I mean good luck on the bear spotting front)

Spotted fresh bear tracks in the snow in Canada on our honeymoon, that's as much wild bear spotting as I'd ever like to do. Having a kid with us does reduce our chances of bumping into Kuma San considerably.

You can build up your Japanese snake spotting quota in Shiraishijima. Plenty of them there on a warm May day.


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