A woman arrested for carrying live bullets at Haneda Airport
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Not always true. Depends if there's strict liability or a presumption. In Japan, even with ammo, there are crazy requirements. She likely would have been ok in the US, but it sounds like she's easily guilty in Japan based on my limited Google searching of Japan gun laws.
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The fact that she recognized she did something illegal then tried to cover it up instead of going to the police will severely hurt her when the penalty is decided. Japanese courts tend to go hard on people who do not turn themselves in nor show guilt which she did neither of. At this point her best bet is to plead guilty and beg for forgiveness as a dumb foreigner. If she had just gone to the police she likely would have lots of questions asked, a very long lecture on Japanese gun laws, then deported but no criminal penalties.
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The fact that she recognized she did something illegal then tried to cover it up instead of going to the police will severely hurt her when the penalty is decided. Japanese courts tend to go hard on people who do not turn themselves in nor show guilt which she did neither of. At this point her best bet is to plead guilty and beg for forgiveness as a dumb foreigner. If she had just gone to the police she likely would have lots of questions asked, a very long lecture on Japanese gun laws, then deported but no criminal penalties.
The impression I got is a case defendant plead not guilty and insisted during entire trial of innocent, but there were very strong circumstantial evidences leading to the defendant. During the sentencing phase a judge say “accuser not showing any guilt” as reason for harsher sentencing. Can remember reading cases like this on Japanese newspaper more than few times.
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But then it will clog the toilet, causing the cleaning person to come out of their closet next to the toilet to fix it, who will find the bullets and call the police, who will come running over to scan the security cameras and find you before you can catch that next flight. Better to use the conbini trash can.
It's very much police state to throw something in the trash and get busted for it! One thing about Japan is the difficulty in finding a trash can.....
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If you made me dictator of USSA I could beat the Japanese numbers quite easily. It includes quite unsavory things regarding non-whites and civil liberties.
I value liberties and something very basic like habeas corpus.
The vast majority of US gun deaths are suicides, but Japan has a much higher suicide rate. Maybe getting rid of railways is imperative in saving lives?
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I must have missed where this person was forced to fly through Japan. We all have choices in life. Those that pretend we don't are the most vocal when things don't go their way.
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if you bothered to look into how Japan manages to avoid gun related deaths and how it regulates guns, perhaps you would understand how they are inextricably linked. and i will decline to enter a further discussion about guns with people who use guns. as they say, "never get involved in a land war in Asia,"....
Related? Yes...usually. Not always however and certainly NOT in the case in question....
And if you won't discuss guns with people who use them...then presumably you are not open to any view other than your own... so perhaps it's best to leave it at that....
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As this is veering quickly into OMNI territory and the thread has run its course, I'm closing it.
Regards,
armagebedar
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Regards,
armagebedar
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