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hyho61 Feb 1, 2022 8:32 am

Spice Jet not likely to survive
 
https://www.ndtv.com/business/suprem...-weeks-2734479

SpiceJet has only about 3 weeks to come with a plan to pay Credit Suisse, which is the collection agent for SR Technics, the MRO company. This airline is limping along for the last few years, dont think it will make it this time. As it is Spice Jet's schedule has shrunk considerably and the few remaining routes which will be out of service soon, will not be missed much.

leonidas Feb 1, 2022 9:32 am

The delayed the inevitable for way too long. It's time.

UA Fan Feb 1, 2022 10:08 pm

How did the founder think of buying AI? Is there any Indian airlines doing well?

Keyser Feb 2, 2022 5:48 am

Haven't used them in a very long time but I've heard they have been struggling. At this point in time I don't think more than 2 or 3 carriers can survive in the Indian market. I wouldn't be surprised if the year ends with Indigo, Go First & the Tata collaboration of Air India-Vistara-Air Asia being the only 3 airlines left standing in India.

superboi Feb 2, 2022 11:50 pm


Originally Posted by Keyser (Post 33956852)
Haven't used them in a very long time but I've heard they have been struggling. At this point in time I don't think more than 2 or 3 carriers can survive in the Indian market. I wouldn't be surprised if the year ends with Indigo, Go First & the Tata collaboration of Air India-Vistara-Air Asia being the only 3 airlines left standing in India.

And Akasa if they launch...I think Jet 2.0 is a non starter. But agree with you that the market can't support more than 2-3 big carriers...regional airlines may be slightly more successful because of the UDAN subsidy.

Keyser Feb 3, 2022 12:23 am


Originally Posted by superboi (Post 33959479)
And Akasa if they launch...I think Jet 2.0 is a non starter. But agree with you that the market can't support more than 2-3 big carriers...regional airlines may be slightly more successful because of the UDAN subsidy.

I don't know what Akasa can manage with the current aviation sector in India right now. I just don't see a possibility that airlines will be successful in the country if there are more than 2 (maybe 3) carriers.

quarryking Feb 3, 2022 12:30 am

Star Air is there still, but they're a small operation. I personally think Akasa's famous promoter will give the airline it's initial push, hang with it for a while & get it's value nicely propped up and then ultimately sell of his stake exiting the aviation market.

superboi Feb 3, 2022 1:16 am


Originally Posted by quarryking (Post 33959519)
Star Air is there still, but they're a small operation. I personally think Akasa's famous promoter will give the airline it's initial push, hang with it for a while & get it's value nicely propped up and then ultimately sell of his stake exiting the aviation market.

...following which the airline will sink rapidly :D

Star Air and other regional carriers will sustain only as long as the UDAN scheme exists...most of those routes are not viable without the subsidy.

GUWonder Feb 3, 2022 8:27 am


Originally Posted by UA Fan (Post 33956237)
How did the founder think of buying AI? Is there any Indian airlines doing well?

Some captains of struggling ships think that making a show of strength buys them time even when the show of strength is all hat, no cattle. Con-artist approach to “business”.

UA Fan Feb 3, 2022 8:44 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 33960342)
Some captains of struggling ships think that making a show of strength buys them time even when the show of strength is all hat, no cattle. Con-artist approach to “business”.

Part of the reason I wished SpiceJet won the bid is to see AI sink. I just can't stand that airline and Vistara & others bloom in its place.

superboi Feb 3, 2022 11:56 pm


Originally Posted by UA Fan (Post 33960389)
Part of the reason I wished SpiceJet won the bid is to see AI sink. I just can't stand that airline and Vistara & others bloom in its place.

Most likely Tata will retire the Vistara branding at a future date. It has no recognition outside the country unlike the AI brand which has global recognition especially among the Indian diasporas abroad.

oliver2002 Feb 4, 2022 12:24 am

Spice and now Akasa are benefactors of the tremendous amounts of money sloshing around in the markets looking for a home. With financial markets tightening you will see a few stars fall from the sky. Jet 2.0 was uncertain to get money even then, so its pretty much dead on arrival for 2022.

GUWonder Feb 4, 2022 10:41 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 33962665)
Spice and now Akasa are benefactors of the tremendous amounts of money sloshing around in the markets looking for a home. With financial markets tightening you will see a few stars fall from the sky. Jet 2.0 was uncertain to get money even then, so its pretty much dead on arrival for 2022.

Don't you mean Spice and Akasa are the beneficiaries "of the the tremendous amounts of money sloshing around in the markets looking for a home". I can't see how these two Indian carriers can be benefactors of such when they aren't the providers of that "money sloshing around the markets looking for a home".

It's all the loose money that gets even pie-in-the-sky dreams financed, more so than when monetary policy and/or fiscal policy is tight.

oliver2002 Feb 9, 2022 12:33 am


superboi Feb 10, 2022 5:35 am

Interesting (if optimistic) piece on Spicejet and its current owner: https://www.fortuneindia.com/long-re...picejet/107048


Observers say two other factors worked in the airline’s favour. One is Singh’s “come hell and high water” attitude, which pushes him to find an opportunity in adversity. Two, is his ability to retain peace of mind and maintain a calm temperament even as hell breaks loose around him.


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