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EricR111 Jan 11, 2014 11:11 am


Originally Posted by davywavy (Post 22133232)
That is what some of us assume may happen. The CEO has said that they want to do it, but they don't - presently - have a plane with "the right engine performance."

Both he and CFO have said they are looking for ways to solve the problem, and - I assume - it might mean a new, as in factory fresh, aircraft, such as the A319 with sharklets, because the retrofit isn't yet available for the A319. Airbus says the sharklets improve take off performance

As to the engine, I'm no Tech Wallah. Frontier has 10 or 11 A319's with the uprated engines - I don't know if the CFM can be upgraded again.

I was surprised that they were able to use the A320 at TTN one day, as a sub for an out of service A319, and that the plane (empty, on arrival from PHL) purposely used the shorter runway to land. The A320 then flew TTN-FLL-TTN with a commercial load.

There are rumours from semi-reliable sources that the problem has been solved, but I have heard nothing from anyone at Frontier, other than the CFO's recent reiteration of their determination to be able to fly TTN-DEN.

Actually, I don't see why they can't use the A320 - not to Denver, but on their present routes, since some of these A319s are now bursting at the seams with passengers. Gibraltar - one of the world's most infamous airports, due in part to winds and due in part to the highway that crosses it - is also 6000' long, and both Monarch and BA use 320-200s for flights to London -- which is about 950 nm, according to Google Earth. Every Frontier flight at present is less than 900 nm (MSY was longer, but they no longer fly there). If you can do it from Gibraltar, (which uses the Mediterranean as its EMAS system), then it should be doable from TTN.

Linux72 Jan 11, 2014 11:21 am

The A320 actually used the shorter runway to land, coming back with pax from FLL. They used 6 when they ferried in from PHL. They wanted to use the shorter runway when departing to FLL, but the tower had to check if there were any restrictions, and the F9 crew just used the longer runway so they wouldn't have to wait for an answer. But remember, the winds that day were strong and favored the shorter runway, and assuming they didn't add any more pax from another flight, the A320 would have been almost 20% empty.


Originally Posted by davywavy (Post 22133232)
That is what some of us assume may happen. The CEO has said that they want to do it, but they don't - presently - have a plane with "the right engine performance."

Both he and CFO have said they are looking for ways to solve the problem, and - I assume - it might mean a new, as in factory fresh, aircraft, such as the A319 with sharklets, because the retrofit isn't yet available for the A319. Airbus says the sharklets improve take off performance

As to the engine, I'm no Tech Wallah. Frontier has 10 or 11 A319's with the uprated engines - I don't know if the CFM can be upgraded again.

I was surprised that they were able to use the A320 at TTN one day, as a sub for an out of service A319, and that the plane (empty, on arrival from PHL) purposely used the shorter runway to land. The A320 then flew TTN-FLL-TTN with a commercial load.

There are rumours from semi-reliable sources that the problem has been solved, but I have heard nothing from anyone at Frontier, other than the CFO's recent reiteration of their determination to be able to fly TTN-DEN.


davywavy Jan 11, 2014 12:00 pm


Originally Posted by EricR111 (Post 22133361)
Actually, I don't see why they can't use the A320 - not to Denver, but on their present routes, since some of these A319s are now bursting at the seams with passengers.

It has clearly been shown that they could, which may be one of the reasons they sent the A320 in there.

The matter is under almost constant review, as with TTN-DEN, but it is a balance out. Frontier has been operating with a constrained fleet and the A319 seemed the most sensible plane to base there because no one actually knew what the reaction to TTN would be. As Frontier has said, they've had to sell the airport as much as the routes.

This is, for example, the first deep winter that the non-Florida routes have been flying and I'm surprised how well the loads are holding up.

Any new non-Florida route is a bit of a gamble - MSY and CMH didn't make the cut - as the new ones will be. I'm pretty confident about CLT - and even more so about BNA - but we wont actually know until they happen and I guess it possible that not all of them work.

Now there are strong rumours that they will assign a 4th aircraft there for the summer, but that becomes a balance out, too, partly because of the limited size of the terminal. Supposedly, baggage claim can presently only handle about one arriving A319 at a time - do they risk a greater crush by using the A320 or do they extend baggage claim?

One of the local newspapers described (positively) what is happening at TTN as "surreal" and I'd agree with that. I think it is one of the most interesting things happening in US civil aviation but it is very much a work in progress, constantly testing the limits of what the airport can handle.

davywavy Jan 11, 2014 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by Linux72 (Post 22133424)
The A320 actually used the shorter runway to land, coming back with pax from FLL.

Thanks for that, It came to me as the other way around, but I was getting conflicting reports that day.

EricR111 Jan 11, 2014 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by davywavy (Post 22133604)
Now there are strong rumours that they will assign a 4th aircraft there for the summer, but that becomes a balance out, too, partly because of the limited size of the terminal. Supposedly, baggage claim can presently only handle about one arriving A319 at a time - do they risk a greater crush by using the A320 or do they extend baggage claim?

One of the local newspapers described (positively) what is happening at TTN as "surreal" and I'd agree with that. I think it is one of the most interesting things happening in US civil aviation but it is very much a work in progress, constantly testing the limits of what the airport can handle.

They can add seating to the terminal by moving the airport offices to a modular office building. I imagine they could also add more modular baggage space.

It ultimately comes down to how many flights each gate can handle a day - I would not have them spaced at less than two hours apart, so that would be 7/gate/day, or 14/day for the terminal, or 98/week. Remember that right now, there is a lot of dead time in the morning, once the first two or three flights leave; nothing else departs until those two or three initial planes come back. To make more efficient use of the airport, they need focus cities close to TTN, where perhaps a morning flight leaves about 6:30 AM and arrives in TTN about 8:15-8:30, then departs 9:00-9:15.

davywavy Jan 11, 2014 1:45 pm


Originally Posted by EricR111 (Post 22133969)
They can add seating to the terminal by moving the airport offices to a modular office building. I imagine they could also add more modular baggage space.

Sure they can, but while there are a few rumours that some of that is on the cards nothing has been announced yet, which may affect whether they keep it as all A319 or assign the A320 to TTN.

And some of it is outside Frontiers control. It depends on what the airport wants to do how much spending the Freeholders are prepared to sanction.

There are also some questions as to whether all the Freeholders are in favour of too much more expansion, at least now, although I believe they have approved an application to the FAA for $2.5 million for improvements to taxiways.

As to the morning dead time, I agree, but one way to fix it may be to have some late night departures to nearer destinations with an early morning return to TTN.

The other unknown is the new owner, Indigo. They very much want more aircraft utilisation, so Frontier is bringing back red-eyes to some cities this summer. I don't know if that will eventually apply to TTN.

SpencerC11 May 10, 2014 4:19 pm

I'm thinking of booking from CLT. It looks like the flight doesn't get in until 11:15pm. Are any of the rental car agencies still open at this time? Thanks

lowfareair May 10, 2014 9:13 pm


Originally Posted by SpencerC11 (Post 22843888)
I'm thinking of booking from CLT. It looks like the flight doesn't get in until 11:15pm. Are any of the rental car agencies still open at this time? Thanks

I remember hearing that at least one of the 2 agencies (Enterprise/National is in the terminal, Avis/Budget is out by the FBO but they will pick you up) stays open for Frontier flights arriving afterhours and/or delayed if someone on it has an advance reservation. I would look up the number of the local branches and call during business hours to confirm.

Jerseyguy May 11, 2014 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by SpencerC11 (Post 22843888)
I'm thinking of booking from CLT. It looks like the flight doesn't get in until 11:15pm. Are any of the rental car agencies still open at this time? Thanks

I've talked to the Budget/Avis at the FBO before and they have told me they wait for all delayed flights (and in this case a late flight). As far as the Enterprise/National counter in the terminal, its part of their lease that they must remain open until airport operations are done for the day even in the case of a delayed flight.

(It says 6am to 11pm but this was prior to the extended flight schedule but covers that by saying that they will extend their hours till airline operations cease for the day)

http://nj.gov/counties/mercer/procur...rt%20lease.pdf
Page 8
"The Vendors shall be required to make uniformed, professionally trained
personnel available at the Airport Terminal Building during normal operational
hours (6:00 A.M. to 11:00 P.M.) or in the event of delayed flights, any other
emergency or request of the Airport Manager, the Vendor will
extend their hours beyond the normal operating hours until airline operations cease for the day"

Enterprise/National: (609) 882-4132
Avis/Budget: (609) 434-1791

Try quoting both of them because I've found that Avis Budget is cheaper (probably due to their location in the FBO).

italdesign Jun 9, 2014 11:22 pm

Hello folks. I will be taking NJ Transit to NYC Thursday afternoon. If I'm not mistaken, I simply go to the train station (Trenton or Hamilton) and buy the ticket from the vending machine to get on the next train, is that right?

Any chance of tickets selling out on a Thursday afternoon (I assume everyone needs a seat; no standing)? I didn't see an option to buy online.

p.s. looks like Uber just arrived!

Jerseyguy Jun 10, 2014 10:59 am

TTN Help
 
I tried to quote a ride from ttn to the trenton transit center on Uber but it gave me an error. As far as the trains go, there is no assigned seating and they dont sell tickets for a specific train. Technically there is no standing but it is not enforced people stand between train cars (in the doorways) during rush hour all the time The good thing is that Trenton and Hamilton are the first 2 stops on the route so there is very little chance they will run out of seats at that early in the ride. Amtrak is more than double NJ Transit ($15 vs $41). So Id definitely use NJT.

italdesign Jun 10, 2014 11:33 am


Originally Posted by Jerseyguy (Post 23010113)
I tried to quote a ride from ttn to the trenton transit center on Uber but it gave me an error. As far as the trains go, there is no assigned seating and they dont sell tickets for a specific train. Technically there is no standing but it is not enforced people stand between train cars (in the doorways) during rush hour all the time The good thing is that Trenton and Hamilton are the first 2 stops on the route so there is very little chance they will run out of seats at that early in the ride. Amtrak is more than double NJ Transit ($15 vs $41). So Id definitely use NJT.

Thanks for the info. As for Uber, they made a mistake: Trenton is shown in their NJ map, but you have to go to their Philly page to get a fare quote.

jonu Jun 10, 2014 2:33 pm

Uber is launching in Trenton (http://blog.uber.com/trenton), but availability is still limited and spotty.

italdesign Jun 15, 2014 7:01 pm

Just a data point for future readers. Used Uber for TTN->Trenton Transit Center (Thur afternoon) and reverse (Sunday afternoon). Each time, wait =~ 15 min, Cost =~ $21.


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