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knope2001 Mar 2, 2011 10:18 am

Summer Expansion, New Cities, Routes, Frequency
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fronti....html?x=0&.v=1

New cities
Provo, 1x/day to DEN E190
Sioux Falls, 1x/day to DEN E190
Knoxville, 4x/week to DEN A319

New Markets
Minneapolis-Kansas City, 2x/day E190
San Antonio-Kansas City, 5x/week E190 (ex Monday/Friday)

Newly Announced Added Frequencies from Denver
MSN
DSM
SFO
PDX
SEA
GEG

The additional 5th MKE-MSP was not specifically mentioned...the only mention of Milwaukee was this:


In addition, Frontier will also be resuming popular summer service to several destinations from Denver and Milwaukee. This includes non-stop service between Denver and Anchorage, Alaska (ANC); Fairbanks, Alaska (FAI) and Green Bay, Wis. (GRB).
Poor Green Bay is lumped in with Anchorage and Fairbanks...In spite of the "frozen tundra" name, that's some awfully cold company to keep...

knope2001 Mar 2, 2011 10:34 am

The link mentions that Frontier now serves 63 cities nonstop from Denver. Here are the nonstop cities served from the three main Frontier cities.

63 Denver
41 Milwaukee
17 Kansas City

mke9499 Mar 2, 2011 10:37 am

Introductory fares for new routes...

http://www.frontierairlines.com/fron...name=introfare

amanuensis Mar 2, 2011 10:51 am

Articles from the local newspapers about Provo service:
http://www.heraldextra.com/news/loca...d2cd26e8c.html
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...-to-Provo.html

This is great news. I work in Provo and I know that many of my work colleagues will find it easier to fly out of Provo than drive first to SLC. Not so clear-cut for me, since I live in a SLC suburb.

mrredskin Mar 2, 2011 11:03 am

oh thank GOD for this!!!! now Star will have to start matching and actually having affordable fares out west via TYS!!!!

MikeFromMKE Mar 2, 2011 11:55 am


Originally Posted by mrredskin (Post 15961997)
oh thank GOD for this!!!! now Star will have to start matching and actually having affordable fares out west via TYS!!!!

Make sure you throw F9 a bone once and awhile to keep the service otherwise it'll go right back up again!

Good to see the new cities. MSP-MCI was a surprise but seems smart. They already have good demand out of MSP connecting in MKE so they should see a fair amount of traffic that have more opportunities connecting in MCI. Might also be a stick to poke Delta to see what their response is.

It's also a positive sign for MCI but you still have to question how much they can grow MCI with their current gate situation and terminal layout.

I wonder if we will see anything new out of MKE this time around. I am guessing no at this point as it sounds like they are going to be more cautious with the unknown price of oil and the Airtran situation. I would think TYS (we'll see how the DEN service goes) and HOU might be worth a shot.

RSVP Mar 2, 2011 4:39 pm


Originally Posted by MikeFromMKE (Post 15962350)

It's also a positive sign for MCI but you still have to question how much they can grow MCI with their current gate situation and terminal layout.

A Kansas City resident recently told me we will be seeing a new Airport within the next ten years.

amanuensis Mar 2, 2011 4:47 pm


Originally Posted by RSVP (Post 15964238)
A Kansas City resident recently told me we will be seeing a new Airport within the next ten years.

SLC also has plans to completely replace all terminal buildings with new buildings. Twelve years ago the plans were very agressive, calling for a large increase in number of gates compared with the status quo. Every few years the plans get dusted off, and as part of the dusting, the number of gates gets reduced. The present SLC replacement plan calls for few, if any, additional gates compared to what now exists. Obviously, 9-11, Delta's bankruptcy, oil prices, and the Great Recession have had an impact.

The bottom line is, twelve years ago, the plan was to have the new airport finished round about now. Work has yet to start. So I will believe a new Kansas City airport when I see it. (After all, MO is the Show Me state.) ;)

flyYX Mar 2, 2011 5:57 pm

Makes me wonder if MDW - MCI would work for Frontier too.

MikeFromMKE Mar 2, 2011 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by RSVP (Post 15964238)
A Kansas City resident recently told me we will be seeing a new Airport within the next ten years.

I know they have grand plans of creating a whole new terminal area but one has to wonder if they could somehow reconfigure their current concourses and find a better place (or new buildings) for ticketing/checkin/screening.

I don't think F9 should hold back if they think they can make money, but there will be a point where they need to figure out how to serve more passengers with MCI's concourse layout.

tashworth Mar 2, 2011 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by RSVP (Post 15964238)
A Kansas City resident recently told me we will be seeing a new Airport within the next ten years.

Won't happen. Kansas City does not have the money to afford it, and already spend their 1% city tax on services (and voters may pull that next month)--no way residents will vote in a tax increase for a new airport. It would be nice, but reports are it's in a 25 year plan, not a 10 year plan. I'd love it, but don't see it ever happening. Not enough incentive to do it other than traveler convenience.

Armani Mar 2, 2011 8:13 pm


Originally Posted by tashworth (Post 15964964)
Won't happen. Kansas City does not have the money to afford it, and already spend their 1% city tax on services (and voters may pull that next month)--no way residents will vote in a tax increase for a new airport. It would be nice, but reports are it's in a 25 year plan, not a 10 year plan. I'd love it, but don't see it ever happening. Not enough incentive to do it other than traveler convenience.

Most of us who regularly use MCI like the airport as it is. There are plenty of open gates in terminals A & C, but recent airline mergers have caused a heavy concentration of flights out of B, with Delta and SW. The only problem at MCI is the lack of food choices after security, but the security lines are usually less than 10 min. Midwest previously had several gates at MCI when they used it as a mini-hub, but I'm not sure who is currently using those gates.

Stumblefoot Mar 2, 2011 9:39 pm


Originally Posted by flyYX (Post 15964679)
Makes me wonder if MDW - MCI would work for Frontier too.

That route seems like a no-brainer to me. But, I bet it would be pretty tough to compete with an entrenched Southwest and their frequency of 10 daily flights.

captaink Mar 3, 2011 1:06 am


Originally Posted by Armani (Post 15965310)
Most of us who regularly use MCI like the airport as it is. There are plenty of open gates in terminals A & C, but recent airline mergers have caused a heavy concentration of flights out of B, with Delta and SW. The only problem at MCI is the lack of food choices after security, but the security lines are usually less than 10 min. Midwest previously had several gates at MCI when they used it as a mini-hub, but I'm not sure who is currently using those gates.

Midwest's old gates in A are currently unused, but in my opinion, that's where frontier needs to be, and have United take what used to be the Northwest gate area (it's connected to the current Continental area by a narrow hallway).

knope2001 Mar 6, 2011 8:21 am

Additional updates to the MCI schedule were loaded, and this finally makes the flow at MCI "flow" correctly.

The banked east-west connecting flow...one bank west, one bank east...is being modified in favor of more local traffic.

MCI-CMH-MCI is ending.

MCI-LAX-MCI is upgraded to A319 and leaves MCI at 7:05am

MCI-SFO-MCI is staying E190 and staying at the tradidional time...leaving about 9:15am and back in MCI about 5:30pm. (This upgrades to Airbus later in the summer)

MCI-SEA-MCI is staying E190 and leaves MCI at about 2:35pm, returning about 9:45pm.

The westbound flight to LAX leaves too early for any connecting feed, and the westbound SEA flight arrives too late for any connections east. Hence, focus on more local traffic.

MCI-AUS, MCI-SAT, and MCI-MSY are all morning flights (about 9:10am) and gets back to MCI around 2:00pm. Those flights are being operated by two aircraft...AUS is x37 (daily except Wednesday and Sunday), SAT is x15, and MSY is x246. I think New Orleans operated x26 last summer, so that's one less frequency, and Austin has been running x6 so that's one less frequency as well.

I'm sad to see MCI-CMH go, but it didn't fill the aircraft very well and relied a lot on connecting traffic to the west rather than locals. MCI-west runs rather full already, and by not forcing MCI to serve as a key east-west connecting point (there's Denver for that) they can serve more local MCI traffic.


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