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FFlash Mar 18, 2015 11:45 am

Fare class tutorial
 
Why do the fare class codes need to be so cryptic?

I was killing time on my longhaul and tried to come up with a more easily understandable fare class codes. Here we go an example for AY:

J (ex-Asia): Jingle bells – I got a seat in minicabin with lots of op-up friends from BKK!
J (ex-HEL): "Jumalauta, that's like 3 times more expensive than Inferior class!"
C (Shorthaul): Cocktail Cabin Class. "I wonder if I can drink enough to make this ticket worth the money". (alternative: Company pays class, and I don't care. )
C (Longhaul): Coffin class with Champagne and Cake
D Dough. I paid too much for that stripped off service.
I I want to get that saver ticket!
Y Your overpriced Pro-fessional friend
B Bullsh** - what’s the point?
H Hilarious!!! Pay 600€ one-way and get a bus!
R Rich people’s company policy fare code
Z Zodiac syndrome, my upgrade did not clear!
O Oh my, aircraft switch and I lost my exit-row seat…
Q Questions –class ticket for bikey Aussies traveling econometric to Rovaniemi
N Nasty class. Your unofficial newspaper perk arrived, but they forgot the free drink
S Shorthaul sucker. To be avoided on long-haul.
V Vidudus class.
L Lame class. Therefore thou shall be thrilled of that free blueberry juice.
K Karjaluokka. ‘cause there is no translation to that feeling.
M Murphy class. Something will go wrong.
P P…stä. Another untranslatable experience. Only for native Finns.
T Terrible class. Everything else feels terrific after this.
E “Enhanced for Emeralds” class: you earn 0 on AY, but 100% with codeshare
A A bummer: 25% pts on AY, but 300% if codeshare
W Double-vidudus class, in order words, whY am I doing this again?
G Gee-class = “gee, at least I got a qualifying leg!”
U - Utopy class without points promos or credit card churn, unbookable without waitlisting.
X - Xmas gift. Your friend when revenue ticket has risen wAY above your pocket and when you actually can ticket it without waitlist.

FFlash Mar 18, 2015 12:05 pm

For curiosity:
-What is your favorite?
-Do you have your own fare class proposal?

Courmisch Mar 18, 2015 2:32 pm

The serious answer for 1-alphabetical booking codes is probably hysterical raisins of the airline IT systems and IATA. This also applies to the 6-alphanumeric booking references and to fare basis, not to mention flight numbers and to our FT-beloved airport codes, airlines codes and cabin codes.

But who cares about booking codes now that we have ticket types! Ah, if only all OTAs showed the whole fare basis... so far I found only Kaleva/CWT and TravelLink.

So what's your interpretation of my personal favorite RVAFI2? :-)

cistavoda Mar 18, 2015 3:29 pm


Originally Posted by FFlash (Post 24527263)
V Vidudus class.

Totally cracked up here :D:D:D:D ^

FFlash Mar 19, 2015 10:27 am

Actually I forgot F. You can book a codeshare F too.

F Fabulous for fanbois with FOC (see Glossary if you don't get it)

WilcoRoger Mar 19, 2015 12:26 pm

F is upgrade bucket on AY, so it's F - Free lunch

FFlash Mar 19, 2015 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by WilcoRoger (Post 24533335)
F is upgrade bucket on AY, so it's F - Free lunch

Yeah man, that is AY F

And it goes with the melody of "it's a Free ride, when you've already paid" when applied to overbooked Y ;)

intuition Mar 19, 2015 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by FFlash (Post 24532696)
Actually I forgot F. You can book a codeshare F too.

F Fabulous for fanbois with FOC (see Glossary if you don't get it)

So true! I would list Y and everything below on the list as 'unknown' :D

Courmisch Mar 19, 2015 2:39 pm

Isn't F used indistintically for J upgrades, J awards and Y awards?

intuition Mar 19, 2015 3:03 pm

Econ award is X. Business award is U.

zz2008 Mar 19, 2015 4:52 pm

So as you can all tell I am a newbie here. I have just been reading through various threads when I stumbled upon a real gem. The Q code class brought light to the gem of a thread again.

"Q Questions –class ticket for bikey Aussies traveling econometric to Rovaniemi"

I sure hope I can travel as a businessperson one day :)

citro Sep 5, 2015 6:43 pm


Originally Posted by FFlash (Post 24527263)
Why do the fare class codes need to be so cryptic?

I was killing time on my longhaul and tried to come up with a more easily understandable fare class codes. Here we go an example for AY:

J Jingle bells – I got a seat in minicabin with lots of op-up friends from BKK!
C Coffin class feels better with Champagne and Cake
D Dough. I paid too much for that stripped off service.
I I want to get that saver ticket!
Y Your overpriced Pro-fessional friend
B Bullsh** - what’s the point?
H Hilarious!!! Pay 600€ one-way and get a bus!
R Rich people’s company policy fare code
Z Zodiac syndrome, my upgrade did not clear!
O Oh my, aircraft switch and I lost my exit-row seat…
Q Questions –class ticket for bikey Aussies traveling econometric to Rovaniemi
N Nasty class. Your unofficial soft perk newspaper did not arrive.
S Shorthaul sucker. To be avoided on long-haul.
V Vidudus class.
L Lame class. Therefore thou shall be thrilled of that free blueberry juice.
K Karjaluokka. ‘cause there is no translation to that feeling.
M Murphy class. Something will go wrong.
P P…stä. Another untranslatable experience. Only for native Finns.
T Terrible class. Everything else feels terrific after this.
E “Enhanced for Emeralds” class: you earn 0 on AY, but 100% with codeshare
A A bummer: 25% pts on AY, but 300% if codeshare
W Double-vidudus class, in order words, whY am I doing this again?
G Gee-class = “gee, at least I got a qualifying leg!”

All that info for class codes sounds quite silly and not been provided with the real information for people to understand what they all means. However if its just nothing more then a joke it is your stuff. But i would rather see the real information rather then making silly jokes about each of them codes. But hey it is your stuff not mine :)

cistavoda Sep 5, 2015 7:09 pm

I'm going to hell for asking. Oh wait, I don't believe in it.

FFlash Sep 6, 2015 4:41 am


Originally Posted by citro (Post 25382728)
All that info for class codes sounds quite silly and not been provided with the real information for people to understand what they all means. However if its just nothing more then a joke it is your stuff. But i would rather see the real information rather then making silly jokes about each of them codes. But hey it is your stuff not mine :)

@citro

I have been reading your threads here, but so far I have been lazy to reply. Now that you are somehow part of the fare class tutorial, I want to clarify to you that the first post here is a sarcastic post. We Finns use sarcasm quite often in similar situations like I was when writing this in deep depression waiting for my plane. If you don't like the humor, just ignore it.

If you want a complete serious fare code tutorial, I don't know where to find it. If I did, I could have easily made a wiki tutorial on top of this thread.

Happy travels!

PS: to your original Question: "Karjaluokka" is Finnish and literally translates into "cattle class", i.e. economy class, aka coach/tourist/bulk/mass/sneeze/whatever-class

FFlash Sep 6, 2015 4:43 am


Originally Posted by cistavoda (Post 25382791)
I'm going to hell for asking. Oh wait, I don't believe in it.

:D you were tempted to play with the fire ;);)

windchaser777 Sep 6, 2015 5:12 am

This is hilarious FFlash, I'm glad I found it and thanks for the laugh ^

FFlash Oct 13, 2015 4:55 am

Now that I have run U and X for the first time, I add them on the list

U - Utopy class. Unachievable without credit card churn

X - Xmas gift. Your friend when cash price ticket has risen wAY above your pocket

intuition Oct 13, 2015 5:14 am

I'm suggesting an adjustment or addendum to the original. These fare interpretaions are mostly suited for shorthauls.

I - Inferior class. You are seated in row one but chances are they deplane through back door and you will be the last one off.
D - Dough class. I paid too much for that stripped off service.
C - Cocktail Cabin Class. "I wonder if I can drink enough to make this ticket worth the money". (alternative: Company pays class, and I don't care. )
J - "Jumalauta, that's like 3 times more expensive than Inferior class!"

intuition Oct 13, 2015 5:36 am

Valid on E90:

C - Cosy class. We will void any seat block privileges so you won't feel lonely up there on row 1.

FFlash Oct 13, 2015 8:20 am


Originally Posted by intuition (Post 25556900)
C - Cocktail Cabin Class. "I wonder if I can drink enough to make this ticket worth the money". (alternative: Company pays class, and I don't care. )

:D this perspective is quite Careless indeed

bolfingpgw Feb 16, 2016 12:31 pm

These fare class meanings are great. I do have a quick question just for confirmation. I have done a lot of searching and want to confirm that X is the economy reward fare and U is the business reward fare for AY? Is there another code for business rewards, I never seem to see U rewards available?

intuition Feb 16, 2016 1:44 pm

X and U is indeed economy and business award fare class. If you are searching on sites like expertflyer, I don't think you can see U availability ever.

ffay005 Feb 16, 2016 4:03 pm

There's also F, which is business class for upgrades. A bit different from U, of course.

ffay005 Feb 16, 2016 4:05 pm


Originally Posted by FFlash (Post 24527263)
Q Questions –class ticket for bikey Aussies traveling econometric to Rovaniemi

This. ^^^

But would there be bisnetic class for a normal person like me and can I stay at the Changi airport hotel?

FFlash Mar 29, 2016 4:28 am


Originally Posted by intuition (Post 25556900)

I - Inferior class. You are seated in row one but chances are they deplane through back door and you will be the last one off.

I happened to review this thread and found out that actually intuition is right, based on the recent reviews and opinions of A359, the definition of I class will be Inferior class :D
I will let our friend intuition to invent a fair explanation to it, he will certainly have warmed loose his verbal tongue after another famous C1-C3 trip ;) all on A350! (will it ever happen twice?)

Unsub Mar 29, 2016 12:21 pm

You all must have googled this somewhat outdated(?) pdf: http://media.finnair.com/files/pdf/F...l_Agencies.pdf

I still find it useful every now and then, e.g. when decrypting what my travel agent is offering me.

FFlash May 18, 2016 9:40 am

Added a Wiki. Thought it would help for people asking multiple times these.

BTW OT, I reckon that one of our friends cracked her case quite fast, her posting became very short last time? ;) I kinda miss her :confused:

Steve_Hun May 18, 2016 10:21 am


Originally Posted by FFlash (Post 26644495)
BTW OT, I reckon that one of our friends cracked her case quite fast, her posting became very short last time? ;) I kinda miss her :confused:

I wish they'd let her come back so that she could write a trip report of her flights in January :D

WilcoRoger May 18, 2016 12:31 pm

Hei, be very careful what use wish for! It might come true :td:

Steve_Hun May 18, 2016 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by WilcoRoger (Post 26645511)
Hei, be very careful what use wish for! It might come true :td:

Only asking for the trip report. Nothing more, nothing less ;)

Courmisch May 18, 2016 1:11 pm

Missing W for Campaign? Also presumably A and G, though I don't recall seeing them lately.

Could maybe add explain the fare basis to differentiate ticket types, also?

Steve_Hun Dec 12, 2016 2:49 pm

Was just checking some availabilities on Expertflyer and have noticed that there is a booking class "E" for AY flights. And while the normal, cheapo Y booking classes are all zeroed out or some of them even closed, this one is listed last in the list and there is still availability.

Any of you might know what kind of ticket books into "E" class? Does it earn anything to AY+? BTW, this is only out of curiosity...

mogoy Dec 12, 2016 11:59 pm

Hi

I am offered a Y to Business class upgrade for my incoming flight.
In the wiki, this relates to F class.

But my OW program (QF) does not list F as a qualifying fare for status and mileage.
If I do accept, do you know if my booking will go to F then losing whatever status credit and mileage that my original Y ticket was commanding ?

Thx for your insight !

ffay005 Dec 13, 2016 12:09 am


Originally Posted by mogoy (Post 27603679)
But my OW program (QF) does not list F as a qualifying for status and mileage.
If I do accept, do you know if my booking will go to F then losing whatever status credit and mileage than my original Y ticket was commanding ?

You will receive miles according to your original booking class. However, with partner programmes you might need to retroclaim and explain the situation. Ultimately, however, you will get the miles, no worries.

mogoy Dec 13, 2016 12:18 am

Thx for the quick feed back, much appreciated !

lkrt Dec 13, 2016 3:19 am


Originally Posted by Steve_Hun (Post 27601788)
Any of you might know what kind of ticket books into "E" class? Does it earn anything to AY+? BTW, this is only out of curiosity...

I believe this is the non-rev "fare". So no earnings and no way to get it.

ff_flyer Dec 13, 2016 3:33 am


Originally Posted by lkrt (Post 27604128)
I believe this is the non-rev "fare". So no earnings and no way to get it.

Yep, a non-revenue fare for various travel industry rates ie. OTA's, staff rates etc.
No earnings, miles/points/sectors - nada.

Steve_Hun Dec 13, 2016 4:01 am

Thanks lkrt & ff_flyer! I knew I can count on the wisdom of FT :)

OH-LGG Dec 13, 2016 5:26 am

I had once bk E. That was when I was invited to new and first A340-300 OH-LQA to Oulu and back with two lovely ladies from AY. Great trip. ^

goldnext Dec 14, 2016 1:51 pm


Originally Posted by OH-LGG (Post 27604472)
I had once bk E. That was when I was invited to new and first A340-300 OH-LQA to Oulu and back with two lovely ladies from AY. Great trip. ^

Someone took photos of the plane that day :-)
http://www.jetphotos.net/photo/5752104
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