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kokonutz Mar 14, 2014 8:05 pm


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 22526390)

Are there any tickets on the old DL system where one can earn 75k miles per ticket!? :eek:

Hotels already award points based on spend: Members at the Preferred Guest® level earn two Starpoints for every eligible U.S. dollar spent at over 1000 participating hotels or resorts booked through Starwood Web sites, hotels, call centers and their travel agent or corporate booking tool.

Hotel status is what nights are based on.

Kagehitokiri Mar 14, 2014 8:18 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 22526485)
Are there any tickets on the old DL system where one can earn 75k miles per ticket!? :eek:

Hotel status is what nights are based on.

valid points

was thinking about airline status requiring spend, although only up to $10K
SQ PPS is more but still only $20K, although $40K initially for solitaire

GUWonder Mar 14, 2014 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 22526485)
Are there any tickets on the old DL system where one can earn 75k miles per ticket!? :eek:

Some RTW and multi-city tickets, but that was pushing it. A very tiny fraction of all tickets issued, to state it generously. Even under the 2015 DL shell-game, only a tiny fraction of all tickets issued will result in earning 75k miles. That said, 75k DL miles in 2015 won't be worth what 75k DL miles in 2013 were worth -- they'll be worth less, and generosity isn't DL's style -- not today and not next year -- when it comes to earning SkyMiles from flight tickets to be used for flight tickets.. ;)

kokonutz Mar 14, 2014 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 22526663)
Some RTW and multi-city tickets, but that was pushing it. A very tiny fraction of all tickets issued, to state it generously. Even under the 2015 DL shell-game, only a tiny fraction of all tickets issued will result in earning 75k miles. That said, 75k DL miles in 2015 won't be worth what 75k DL miles in 2013 were worth -- they'll be worth less, and generosity isn't DL's style -- not today and not next year -- when it comes to earning SkyMiles from flight tickets to be used for flight tickets.. ;)

Right. It seems like it all comes down to the redemption revisions.

DL could make high rev pax winners in the new system. Or they could make everyone losers.

Which is why I, for one, am waiting for the dust to settle before reacting to DL's moves.

GUWonder Mar 14, 2014 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 22526706)
Right. It seems like it all comes down to the redemption revisions.

DL could make high rev pax winners in the new system. Or they could make everyone losers.

Which is why I, for one, am waiting for the dust to settle before reacting to DL's moves.

Patience isn't alway a virtue.

DL's going to also make high rev pax losers in the new system by hitting us all on the redemption side.

Miles earned from non-flights have to be devalued too -- for DL management to hits its unit targets -- and those miles aren't segregated from miles earned from flights for purposes of being used for mileage tickets.

DL's got no current intention of increasing the availability of award seats at the lowest mileage price level, even for those relatively endangered whales who manage to earn 75k miles/ticket.

If it were otherwise, I'd not be so critical of DL on this matter.

Given the bloggers have credit cards to peddle, the shift to substitute earning more miles from credit cards than from flights is probably in the narrow self-interest of the bloggers that peddle credit cards; however, the pursuit of narrow self-interest in the short-term isn't what drives everyone on every issue -- not even all bloggers.

sbm12 Mar 14, 2014 10:25 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 22526663)
That said, 75k DL miles in 2015 won't be worth what 75k DL miles in 2013 were worth -- they'll be worth less,

How do you figure? Especially given that the new charts are published now.

Even if the lowest level remains static in terms of inventory available the other levels could provide a small improvement in the average award costs.

itsaboutthejourney Mar 21, 2014 11:12 pm


Originally Posted by hobo13 (Post 22425054)
Based on his banter with Gleff on the topic, I'd bet he's had this post queued for a couple of years now!

The general post sure, but Randy was only briefed on the final details of the new SkyPeso program in February.

What surprises me the most was that he went to FlyerTalk to post the news right at embargo release time rather than keep it exclusive to his own blogs. (Then again, some people at Delta still think he runs Flyertalk.)

sbm12 Mar 22, 2014 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by itsaboutthejourney (Post 22567166)
What surprises me the most was that he went to FlyerTalk to post the news right at embargo release time rather than keep it exclusive to his own blogs. (Then again, some people at Delta still think he runs Flyertalk.)

He is still very proud of the community here which he founded.

Plus, linking to the site from here certainly generated a number of clicks/page views which otherwise wouldn't have happened. :-:


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