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Old Jan 21, 2019, 8:48 am
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Summary of Events
  • Pax boarded last in a wheelchair on January 18th for BR15, LAX-TPE, and he was connecting onto BKK.
  • Because of his size, he requests to be seated in an empty row of 3. They happily move him.
  • 2hr30min into flight, the man requests that the flight attendant make arrangements for him to use the J class bathroom as he cannot fit in the Y one. The flight attendant inquires with the Chief Purser, who gives the ok.
  • 3 flight attendants along with the original FA (She is a deputy purser in charge of the Y cabin) assist him to the restroom so that he can use it. They inform him where the call button is, then shut the door for him.
  • One minute later, he rings the call button and the FA's open the door. There, he says that he cannot pull his underwear down; it's off in the front but on in the back. A flight attendant brings a blanket over to cover him as his genitals are now exposed. He whacks the FA's hand and tells her to take that away and help him pull his underwear down. She agrees, dons plastic gloves, and then pulls the back down for him before leaving the lav.
  • 15 minutes later, the man says that they can come in and help him now. Upon opening the door, they discover he is still sitting on the toilet with his pants at his ankles. He says, "I'm done. You can wipe my butt now". The flight attendant says she cannot do that, and he berates her, saying she agreed to do it previously and now he already went so he needs her to do it or he's just going to sit in the lav. The CP is called in from rest at this point and an all-call is made.
  • After further back and forth with the passenger and conversation between the crew, the CP makes the decision to wipe for him, even though it is made clear they do not do these things. The flight was expected to be extremely turbulent and the FA's decided they could not inconvenience other pax over this situation. CP cannot bear to have her junior crew do it, so she will do it herself while the DP holds the man up. She dons 3 layers of plastic gloves and proceeds to wipe. While wiping, the man moans "hmmmmm, deeper, deeper". After the first wipe, the man claims that he is not clean and demands she wipes again. She wipes a total of three (3) times!
  • After the 3rd wipe, they say they cannot wipe anymore. He then says "You better have wiped me clean".
  • The pax now demands the FA pull his pants up for him, which she does because she has already been traumatized at this point. He is helped back to his seat.
  • Pax goes #2 again later on in the flight, the same scenario plays out again.
Pax History with BR
  • He has flown roughly 20 flights with BR and did not start presenting problems until May 2018 when he allegedly developed health issues.
  • According to the FA's, multiple BIP reports have been made against him throughout this year.
  • In May 2018 on the same flight, he made the same demands but was struck down. Instead, he defecates into his pants in his seat. Pax complains, leading to a discipline hearing for the FA's as to why this happened in this first place. They are let off with warnings.
  • He urinated himself in another instance on a TPE-BKK flight.
  • He demanded a Thai crew member change and clean his diaper on a TPE-BKK flight but was struck down. Instead, he let the diaper overflow into the seat.
  • On the connecting TPE-BKK flight on the 19th, he spilled juice in his crotch area. When he flagged a flight attendant to get her to bring napkins, he also asked her to wipe. She gave him napkins to wipe and said he could do it himself, to which he replied "You can do better than me". The flight attendant wiped for him.
Reports in English

https://nypost.com/2019/01/21/flight-attendant-says-overweight-passenger-forced-her-to-wipe-his-butt/ - New York Post
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6615261/31st-passenger-forces-stewardess-wipe-bottom-long-flight-Los-Angeles-Taiwan.html - Daily Mail
http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201901210016.aspx - Focus Taiwan

EVA's Disability In-Flight Assistance Policy: https://www.evaair.com/en-global/managing-your-trip/special-assistance-and-inquiry/special-assistance/#assistance-during-the-flight

FA/Union News Conference (in Chinese Mandarin): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pt-gYpN1D8

BR Statements

1/21 Post FA News Conference Statement from EVA Air (in Chinese): https://www.evaair.com/zh-tw/about-eva-air/news/travel-news/2019-01-21-pr-publish.html (English summary: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30681664-post60.html)
1/20 Initial statement: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30677669-post11.html

Other Taiwanese Media Reports (in Chinese)

1/21 https://udn.com/news/story/7315/3605843 - includes clarification from BR management post FA union news conference
1/20 https://udn.com/news/story/7315/3604203 - one of the first reports
1/20 https://tw.appledaily.com/new/realtime/20190120/1504018 - another one of the earlier reports (video is not the actual event and this news paper is like the New York Post of Taiwan and Hong Kong)
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Old Jan 24, 2019, 8:40 pm
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Originally Posted by smith80678
No, he moaned with pleasure. At least two of the FAs said that. I believe them:Kuo, who was holding onto the passenger to keep in steady, recalled: "He said: 'Oh, mmm, deeper, deeper', and then accused my chief attendant of not properly cleaning his backside, requesting that she do it again.
Someone is lying. Either the FA, to make the effect greater. Or the man, who pretends to get pleasure. Wiping butt is not pleasurable unless you are enjoying the newspaper reading. The actual wipe is done and get it over with.

I believe the passenger is bossy but I also think the FA are being grossed out because they are not used to taking care of elderly relatives or worked in a nursing home before. There, poop and urine is everywhere.

Maybe the FA are too young and haven't had kids. Babies poop all over the diaper.
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Old Jan 24, 2019, 10:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf
Someone is lying. Either the FA, to make the effect greater. Or the man, who pretends to get pleasure. Wiping butt is not pleasurable unless you are enjoying the newspaper reading. The actual wipe is done and get it over with.

I believe the passenger is bossy but I also think the FA are being grossed out because they are not used to taking care of elderly relatives or worked in a nursing home before. There, poop and urine is everywhere.

Maybe the FA are too young and haven't had kids. Babies poop all over the diaper.
Apples and oranges. How can you compare a parent wiping their OWN child's butt to FA's wiping a random stranger's butt while holding him up?

Regardless, we don't know if he found it pleasurable or not. Perhaps he has a fetish, not everyone's the same! The CP's report confirms this "moaning" and the company has already stated they have approached their US attorney to see if there are grounds to sue for sexual harassment.
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Old Jan 24, 2019, 10:16 pm
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Originally Posted by davie355
I read somewhere else that the passenger presented himself as a normal person at the gate area, only manifesting his psychiatric symptoms after door closure
I believe that was in the TW AppleDaily.
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Old Jan 24, 2019, 10:17 pm
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Originally Posted by thumbsup7
BR need to have schedule policy with one male FA in long haul flight especially transpacific when they can not divert plane easily.
I saw a lot of male FA on AC, CA, NH, CZ, KE, OZ, LH. It is really ODD that BR operated female only FA.
Most of Chinese carrier even have disguised sheriff on board who sometimes mistaken as male FA.
If male FA is on board, this type of behavior can not realized if he see who is going to guide him to bathroom.
It isn't odd since they don't hire males!
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Old Jan 24, 2019, 10:37 pm
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Originally Posted by thumbsup7
BR need to have schedule policy with one male FA in long haul flight especially transpacific when they can not divert plane easily.
I saw a lot of male FA on AC, CA, NH, CZ, KE, OZ, LH. It is really ODD that BR operated female only FA.
Most of Chinese carrier even have disguised sheriff on board who sometimes mistaken as male FA.
If male FA is on board, this type of behavior can not realized if he see who is going to guide him to bathroom.
There's nothing that males can do that females cannot. I rare exception may be porn star where a male role is needed. As far as flight attendant duties, nothing.
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Old Jan 24, 2019, 10:41 pm
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Originally Posted by hayzel7773
Apples and oranges. How can you compare a parent wiping their OWN child's butt to FA's wiping a random stranger's butt while holding him up?

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Poop is poop. It stinks. One FA claims she saw poop in the toilet and is now traumatized. She better not have a dog. Dogs poop all over the sidewalk.

Smell? Yes. Man unattractive? Yes. Man probably very bossy? Yes. Reasonable to exclude poop assistance with the flight attendant job description? Yes. But trauma because of seeing poop is unbelievable unless she has an underlying psychiatric condition.
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Old Jan 24, 2019, 10:50 pm
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Revolting to say the least. "deeper, deeper". This old PIG should be banned and should have been arrested at the connection point for indecent exposure and sexual ASSAULT. Seriously, what flight attendant and why would ANY flight attendant agree to wipe someone's ... ?????????? You can sit on the toilet till we get to Taipei.......that is after I tell the Captain and he'll probably have to divert to get you off and to a hospital or nursing home.
It depends. His butt is very big. With a slim person, it's not clean if you just wipe the outside. One probably should wipe at least 7 mm towards the inside (1/4 of an inch) of the anus. I'm not talking about penetration of your fist into your butt, just less than 1 cm inside. Most strangers would probably barely tolerate wiping 1 cm from the anus. Add to that the guy is very obese. That means you have to seem to go deep even if you didn't yet reach the anus.

Therefore, despite thinking that the situation is gross and the man is bossy, I am not convinced that "deeper, deeper" is not a genuine idea and not sexual assault.
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Old Jan 24, 2019, 10:56 pm
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Originally Posted by hayzel7773

This is not a normal CP or FAs life! At each application event, there are roughly 5000-6000people
that show up for a 25-30 person team. The job is well-paid in terms of local standards and the benefits aplenty. I dont know about parents but the job is well sought after for both airlines. CP is extremely enticing because of the pay thats almost 2x the normal FAs pay and the associated bonus scheme. You must work around 10 years to even become a CP.

In terms of expectations, they expect you know
how to speak English, mandarin, and Taiwanese. Any extra is a bonus for you but not required. Most FAs dont speak another language.
Do you know why there are so many BR and CI flight attendants on Instagram that post pictures for entertainment, not a log of their life? The latter will show pictures of friends and relatives. The former will be very staged photos, mostly beauty shots. Those have tens of thousands of followers.
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Old Jan 25, 2019, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by smith80678
Divert a whole airline so somebody can take a crap. That would be funny😮😛
Stuff happens, part of the business. But it is preventable had the GA/Station Manager/Management did their job properly

https://globalnews.ca/news/3948725/u...iled-diverted/
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/unite...reach-capacity
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/trave...r-toilet-break
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ec4ed2796bc2
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 1:18 am
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So, that gentleman is confirmed to fly BR212 and BR12 on May XXth.

(Edited to remove the actual date).

Last edited by BlackHappy; Jan 26, 2019 at 1:22 am Reason: Removing the actual date.
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 1:04 pm
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So, that gentleman is confirmed to fly BR212 and BR12 on May XXth.

(Edited to remove the actual date).
so... are they gonna allow him to fly by himself again?
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 1:12 pm
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So, that gentleman is confirmed to fly BR212 and BR12 on May XXth.

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Will BR be able to get cabin crew for those flights? Will managers be on hand to supervise boarding?

BTW, that's a long time to visit Thailand. In fact, isn't the usual tourist visa just three months and then the people who are staying there long term do visa runs to nearby countries?
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 6:44 pm
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Union is adamant they did not leak his itinerary. Airline is now investigating all employees involved; whoever leaked the itinerary will be fired.

Meanwhile, FA Emily Kuo seems to be making the most of her time off. Despite her claims that "every time I recount the incident or think about it, I become even more traumatized", she did a FaceTime interview with NBC LA and other media organizations! How funny.
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 6:45 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Will BR be able to get cabin crew for those flights? Will managers be on hand to supervise boarding?

BTW, that's a long time to visit Thailand. In fact, isn't the usual tourist visa just three months and then the people who are staying there long term do visa runs to nearby countries?
If the original crew call in sick, they will simply pass on the duty to reserve crew. You cannot refuse to fly on grounds he is onboard. You can kiss your job goodbye.
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf
Poop is poop. It stinks. One FA claims she saw poop in the toilet and is now traumatized. She better not have a dog. Dogs poop all over the sidewalk.

Smell? Yes. Man unattractive? Yes. Man probably very bossy? Yes. Reasonable to exclude poop assistance with the flight attendant job description? Yes. But trauma because of seeing poop is unbelievable unless she has an underlying psychiatric condition.
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Aside from the fact that you seem to be defending this decrepit old man, it wasn't just the "poop" in and of itself.......I mean, a picture is worth a thousands words...... if you read the FA's whole experience. It was all of those things - his genitals in view, the door open, him slapping her hand away, actually having to wipe his butt, talked to like she was some sort of sex object plus the moaning (he was obviously enjoying the stimulation of it all). Good grief, why this FA staff even accommodated him is beyond me. I would have left the door open and let his xxxx swing in the wind.
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