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skywardhunter Mar 30, 2019 11:43 am


Originally Posted by chelseastu (Post 30946501)
Fair enough though I'm not sure the demand has dropped off, I just don't think it was there in the first place which beggars the question why EK put up their prices .Switching to 2 class configuration seems logical though obviously disappointing

Very good point by freed0m, one might say they've not increased their prices in real terms, you just need more GBP now to buy the ticket, the base fare is set in USD and base fares for other currencies are adjusted periodically, e.g. all fares ex SA are being adjusted on the 2nd of April

chelseastu Mar 30, 2019 5:44 pm


Originally Posted by skywardhunter (Post 30946542)
Very good point by freed0m, one might say they've not increased their prices in real terms, you just need more GBP now to buy the ticket, the base fare is set in USD and base fares for other currencies are adjusted periodically, e.g. all fares ex SA are being adjusted on the 2nd of April

The pound has been pretty stable against the dollar since the referendum at the $1.30 mark so it's nothing to do with exchange rates. The price did go up in 2016 from £2900 to £3200 when the pound went from $1.55 to $1.28 and for the rest of 2016, 2017 and early 2018 that's what I was paying. Prices went up over 33% around April last year to £4100 which is what I have been paying since. It was only in Feb this year that they dropped back down to £3200. Sorry if it seems I am repeating myself but I really just don't get it. Sounds to me that EK were trying to profiteer and realised that their customers weren't prepared to pay this sort of price.
I shouldn't complain I suppose:)

skywardhunter Mar 30, 2019 5:52 pm


Originally Posted by chelseastu (Post 30947539)
The pound has been pretty stable against the dollar since the referendum at the $1.30 mark so it's nothing to do with exchange rates. The price did go up in 2016 from £2900 to £3200 when the pound went from $1.55 to $1.28 and for the rest of 2016, 2017 and early 2018 that's what I was paying. Prices went up over 33% around April last year to £4100 which is what I have been paying since. It was only in Feb this year that they dropped back down to £3200. Sorry if it seems I am repeating myself but I really just don't get it. Sounds to me that EK were trying to profiteer and realised that their customers weren't prepared to pay this sort of price.
I shouldn't complain I suppose:)

Well, yeah, can't blain a business for wanting to make a profit.

Based on a quick Google the GBP opened 2016 at 1.49 per USD and is now at 1.30. decreasing 13%.

thijsseh Mar 31, 2019 12:05 am


Originally Posted by skywardhunter (Post 30947570)
Well, yeah, can't blain a business for wanting to make a profit.

Based on a quick Google the GBP opened 2016 at 1.49 per USD and is now at 1.30. decreasing 13%.

Yes, there was a major drop in June 2016 (referendum), which is chelseastu’s ‘reference date’ in his post.
And it has been as low as 1.20 and as high as 1.42 since then.

Many businesses use the exchange rate to ratchet the prices up (I use the term ‘ratchet’ as they don’t appear to come down as the exchange rate improves). Of course one can’t criticise a business for trying to maximise its profits (that’s the nature of a business), but to blame everything on exchange rate fluctuations is at least disingenuous.

freed0m Mar 31, 2019 2:18 am

My quote did say the last decade. Since 2009, GBP has dropped a lot.

skywardhunter Mar 31, 2019 3:44 am


Originally Posted by thijsseh (Post 30948155)


Yes, there was a major drop in June 2016 (referendum), which is chelseastu’s ‘reference date’ in his post.
And it has been as low as 1.20 and as high as 1.42 since then.

Many businesses use the exchange rate to ratchet the prices up (I use the term ‘ratchet’ as they don’t appear to come down as the exchange rate improves). Of course one can’t criticise a business for trying to maximise its profits (that’s the nature of a business), but to blame everything on exchange rate fluctuations is at least disingenuous.

The exchange rate thing has really ticket you off I see :)

Oil has also become more expensive in the past year. Anyway, you say that but it so happens that we're discussing a drop in fares in this thread, so prices do come down...

And remember that adjusted for inflation air travel is the cheapest it's ever been. Airlines need.to increase base fares just to keep them constant in theory. 500usd a year ago is 530usd or so now (varies heavily based on country obviously)

DYKWIA Mar 31, 2019 3:55 am


Originally Posted by chelseastu (Post 30947539)
Sounds to me that EK were trying to profiteer and realised that their customers weren't prepared to pay this sort of price.

Yet again- this is what supply and demand is.

thijsseh Mar 31, 2019 4:23 am


Originally Posted by freed0m (Post 30948301)
My quote did say the last decade. Since 2009, GBP has dropped a lot.

Yes, 9.12% against USD, to be exact.

freed0m Mar 31, 2019 5:18 am


Originally Posted by thijsseh (Post 30948476)


Yes, 9.12% against USD, to be exact.

2009 is not a good starting point. At the height of crisis, USD was too strong. Average per-brexit, should be around 1.6?

thijsseh Mar 31, 2019 5:28 am


Originally Posted by freed0m (Post 30948554)


2009 is not a good starting point. At the height of crisis, USD was too strong. Average per-brexit, should be around 1.6?

It obviously depends how far pre referendum (I think we are still pre Brexit, at least for another 2 weeks...) one goes. I use this: https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...o=USD&view=10Y. So anywhere between 1.5 and 1.6 would be my guess.

thijsseh Mar 31, 2019 5:35 am


Originally Posted by skywardhunter (Post 30948428)
The exchange rate thing has really ticket you off I see :)

Oil has also become more expensive in the past year. Anyway, you say that but it so happens that we're discussing a drop in fares in this thread, so prices do come down...

And remember that adjusted for inflation air travel is the cheapest it's ever been. Airlines need.to increase base fares just to keep them constant in theory. 500usd a year ago is 530usd or so now (varies heavily based on country obviously)

Oh yes, blaming the exchange rate for everything (especially in SA) is a pet hate of mine. Using the gullibility of the general public to drive up prices.

Oil: well it has been going up and down. A bit like exchange rates ;). At some stage it was well over $100 and then the airlines used the 'Fuel levy' to offset this cost increase. Fair enough. When the oil price went down, ,many airlines quickly changed this to 'carrier imposed surcharge' to avoid having to decrease it. And of course now it is also being used to reduce the value of miles (by still charging this surcharge for award bookings).

Finally, I agree that air travel is (after inflation) cheaper than ever. That's what competition is doing for us. And so we are back to supply and demand. :D

Bubus78 Apr 1, 2019 4:23 am


Originally Posted by skywardhunter (Post 30946542)
Very good point by freed0m, one might say they've not increased their prices in real terms, you just need more GBP now to buy the ticket, the base fare is set in USD and base fares for other currencies are adjusted periodically, e.g. all fares ex SA are being adjusted on the 2nd of April


Offtopic on South African comment : in average how often as the SA pricing been changing ? The ZAR is further down só one can expect a hike in pricing to adjust to USD or one shall expect a reduction due to deteriorating cost of living in ZA?

skywardhunter Apr 1, 2019 4:50 am


Originally Posted by Bubus78 (Post 30951739)



Offtopic on South African comment : in average how often as the SA pricing been changing ? The ZAR is further down só one can expect a hike in pricing to adjust to USD or one shall expect a reduction due to deteriorating cost of living in ZA?

It's actually remarkably steady in terms of base fares, but there are fewer Savers available in J and especially F, from what I hear (I fly Y, so doesn't affect me). SA is great because most of the time Flex is the lowest available Y fare and it's very reasonably priced. Even when Saver and Special are available the savings are negligible (Special to Saver difference has been as low as $3 for CPT-DXB-HYD for example, and only another $30 from Saver to Flex, overall return trip is often in the $600-$800 region for CPT-BOM/HYD or even CPT-Europe.

The ZAR hasn't weakened that much in macro terms, it was very strong (relatively speaking) for a while, but EK didn't lower prices correspondingly, the ZAR was very weak last August which is when EK last made a base fare adjustment in SA, and this is the first adjustment since then, that I am aware of.

GEB74 Apr 4, 2019 9:02 am

Just booked a May 2019 MAN-BKK return in F - £3170, whilst the runway works are ongoing and flights are reduced.
Very happy at that kind of price ChelseaStu.....
However, most flight options were around the £3.7K - £3.8K level.

Silverswimmer Apr 4, 2019 10:07 am

Checked the prices in J, BHX/DXB return in October, in the 'sale' that ended yesterday and they were £212 more than I paid for the exact flights, purchased in February !
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