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Gringuito Oct 18, 2016 11:46 am

Speculation on new fees
 
In a gulf news article Tim Clark talks about introducing new fees.
What do you think those will be?
Credit card fee?
Check in fee?
Alcohol on board ?
Movies on demand ?
So many possibilities ! ;)
Seriously this airline is losing ground...

"Emirates, the world’s largest airline by international passengers, introduced a new seating charge on October 3 where passengers now have to pay [around Dh50 per seat] if they want to pre-select their seats.

The airline is looking at introducing other new charges, Clark said without providing specific details."
http://m.gulfnews.com/business/aviation/africa-s-economic-woes-weigh-on-emirates-network-tim-clark-1.1914526

skywardhunter Oct 18, 2016 11:54 am

Additional baggage allowance. 1x 23kg free, additional baggage purchased during ticket purchase or check-in online.

CC fee already exists in some markets. I don't see them charging for onboard services like alcohol or IFE, however.

Feels a little shortsighted to me, like a short-term tactic to counter lower loads, rather than a viable long-term strategy.

ukdoctor Oct 18, 2016 12:18 pm

EK is massively undercutting prices from India to UK. Found some saver Y tickets return (India to UK) for around 35000 INR (around $525) for November.

I have not seen these prices on EK for nearly a decade.

Internaut Oct 18, 2016 1:01 pm

Just as long as they don't go all BA on us. But agreed, Emirates can be very good value for money on the saver fares, given the level of service on offer.

DYKWIA Oct 18, 2016 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by Internaut (Post 27362814)
Just as long as they don't go all BA on us. But agreed, Emirates can be very good value for money on the saver fares, given the level of service on offer.

They do seem to be following BA unfortunately.

Get ready for filthy cabins :)

sydtogla Oct 18, 2016 6:06 pm

Unfortunately the prices in Y between Australia and the UK have jumped up greatly. I'm looking at somewhere around A$2700 return in may, that is US$2k. Or £5,000,000.

eternaltransit Oct 18, 2016 6:07 pm


Originally Posted by sydtogla (Post 27363961)
Unfortunately the prices in Y between Australia and the UK have jumped up greatly. I'm looking at somewhere around A$2700 return in may, that is US$2k. Or £5,000,000.

A bargain - it might be 10 million by May! :D

sydtogla Oct 18, 2016 6:50 pm


Originally Posted by eternaltransit (Post 27363965)
A bargain - it might be 10 million by May! :D

Considering flying to Dublin just to mitigate the cost! Don't fancy jumping on a BAEC after a 777 though.

Firemansam Oct 18, 2016 9:30 pm


Originally Posted by sydtogla (Post 27363961)
Unfortunately the prices in Y between Australia and the UK have jumped up greatly. I'm looking at somewhere around A$2700 return in may, that is US$2k. Or £5,000,000.

What dates are you looking at??

I see EK and SQ at around the $1500 mark Ex SYD

m3red Oct 18, 2016 9:38 pm


Originally Posted by skywardhunter (Post 27362426)
Additional baggage allowance. 1x 23kg free, additional baggage purchased during ticket purchase or check-in online.

CC fee already exists in some markets. I don't see them charging for onboard services like alcohol or IFE, however.

Feels a little shortsighted to me, like a short-term tactic to counter lower loads, rather than a viable long-term strategy.

Luggage is on EK area where EK is very generous in my opinion so I can see fees for that.

Charge for meals? I mean on some sectors e.g. Muscat or Doha there is no point in a meal but that could be simply scrapped as cost cutting.

Maybe they could get rid of the flower from the F class suite like BA did from the lav :D

extramileage Oct 18, 2016 10:23 pm

Depressing!

sydtogla Oct 18, 2016 11:07 pm


Originally Posted by firemansam (Post 27364625)
what dates are you looking at??

I see ek and sq at around the $1500 mark ex syd

23/6/17-12/7/17.

:-(

kuroko Oct 18, 2016 11:46 pm

I think DCC (distribution cost charge) could come.. TC always hating against GDS'

ft101 Oct 19, 2016 12:28 am

CC fee already there for me (ex UK).
20kg luggage limit already there (Special tickets ex UK)
We even have a weekend supplement from the UK.

However, ticket prices are good with plenty competition, and I'm not even seeing ex-EU fares that are worth it just now.

pdh Oct 19, 2016 2:33 am

If they start charging for alcohol I will be changing airlines

msm2000uk Oct 19, 2016 4:48 am


Originally Posted by pdh (Post 27365214)
If they start charging for alcohol I will be changing airlines

If they do, m3red will be the first out :p

M

m3red Oct 19, 2016 5:27 am


Originally Posted by msm2000uk (Post 27365433)
If they do, m3red will be the first out :p

M

They charge enough for the F seats!

I don't think I had one drink in the lounge with you? :D

DYKWIA Oct 19, 2016 2:22 pm

Bidding for upgrades?

ukdoctor Oct 19, 2016 4:55 pm


Originally Posted by msm2000uk (Post 27365433)
If they do, m3red will be the first out :p

M

EK's alcohol expenses will be drastically reduced if that happens. ;-)

lazyboy Oct 19, 2016 11:36 pm

This fee is for picking a seat of ur choice or the airline will assign any random seat...

Trusty Oct 19, 2016 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 27367901)
Bidding for upgrades?

This is bad.
Pax never know what's better:
1. buy just J fare
or:
2. buy Y fare and bid.
(this is no the same as hoping for op-up!)

so if you not sure what's better, the safest option is to book another airline.

avcritic Oct 20, 2016 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by Internaut (Post 27362814)
Just as long as they don't go all BA on us

That is so unfair to EasyJet/Ryanair, which BA seems to be following.

Anyway, they should hire some US3 revenue management folks, they will nickel and dime pax and bring in $Billions. Pax wouldn't even notice.

May be EK is ripe for WW.

Internaut Oct 22, 2016 8:52 am


Originally Posted by avcritic (Post 27373124)
That is so unfair to EasyJet/Ryanair, which BA seems to be following.

Anyway, they should hire some US3 revenue management folks, they will nickel and dime pax and bring in $Billions. Pax wouldn't even notice.

May be EK is ripe for WW.

I'm a fan of both of the above (and Jet2 and Thomas Cook are also pretty decent). You generally know what you're getting and the buy on board is of a better standard than you get on BA. For short haul, I'd choose point to point LCC over BA any day of the week, provided there is a route. For long haul, I mostly prefer going via the Middle East at the moment.

HelloKittysMum Oct 22, 2016 9:14 am


Originally Posted by Internaut (Post 27379222)
I'm a fan of both of the above (and Jet2 and Thomas Cook are also pretty decent). You generally know what you're getting and the buy on board is of a better standard than you get on BA. For short haul, I'd choose point to point LCC over BA any day of the week, provided there is a route. For long haul, I mostly prefer going via the Middle East at the moment.

This echoes my thoughts exactly. I've recently done TA on Thomas Cook (NY) and they were better than the last time I flew on Virgin to Miami.

DYKWIA Oct 23, 2016 2:47 am


Originally Posted by HelloKittysMum (Post 27379281)
This echoes my thoughts exactly. I've recently done TA on Thomas Cook (NY) and they were better than the last time I flew on Virgin to Miami.

We've been looking at some of the Thomas Cook flights out of MAN. They fly to quite a few US cities these days (we're looking at MIA). Their Y+ looks quite decent, and is reasonably priced.

My current commute is on EasyJet (MAN-AMS each week). In the 40+ flights this year, there has only been one major delay (3 hours due to bad weather at AMS). They are generally on time, and light years ahead of BA these days. The only issue I've had is 2 flights requiring the Dutch plod to meet the plane due to misbehaviour (one was the before mentioned 3 hour delay).

Internaut Oct 23, 2016 3:07 am


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 27381658)
We've been looking at some of the Thomas Cook flights out of MAN. They fly to quite a few US cities these days (we're looking at MIA). Their Y+ looks quite decent, and is reasonably priced.

My current commute is on EasyJet (MAN-AMS each week). In the 40+ flights this year, there has only been one major delay (3 hours due to bad weather at AMS). They are generally on time, and light years ahead of BA these days. The only issue I've had is 2 flights requiring the Dutch plod to meet the plane due to misbehaviour (one was the before mentioned 3 hour delay).

Thomas Cook has the advantage that they recently updated their hand baggage. It's now a small case, as before, but they also allow a laptop bag (though I'd recommend the smaller the better). I tested that out on a business trip to Gambia earlier this year. Sorry, we seem to have veered well off topic here.

ft101 Oct 23, 2016 5:04 am


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 27381658)
My current commute is on EasyJet (MAN-AMS each week).

I hope you go for the bacon baguette. I was so disappointed when they only had a box of muesli type rubbish on a flight recently.

ukdoctor Oct 23, 2016 6:49 am

Easyjet are quite good. Especially if you do the flexi fare trick .


Moreover flexi fares allows a second piece of hand luggage and a £5 voucher for food /drink on board.

The one weird thing that I have noticed if I'm sitting on 1A is the axe on the wall near the door on most easyjet aircraft.

Do all aircraft have these. Never seen them on other airlines.

skywardhunter Oct 23, 2016 7:46 am


Originally Posted by ukdoctor (Post 27382128)
Easyjet are quite good. Especially if you do the flexi fare trick .


Moreover flexi fares allows a second piece of hand luggage and a £5 voucher for food /drink on board.

The one weird thing that I have noticed if I'm sitting on 1A is the axe on the wall near the door on most easyjet aircraft.

Do all aircraft have these. Never seen them on other airlines.

All aircraft have crash axes but not generally visible to pax

DYKWIA Oct 23, 2016 8:03 am


Originally Posted by ukdoctor (Post 27382128)
Easyjet are quite good. Especially if you do the flexi fare trick .


Moreover flexi fares allows a second piece of hand luggage and a £5 voucher for food /drink on board.

The one weird thing that I have noticed if I'm sitting on 1A is the axe on the wall near the door on most easyjet aircraft.

Do all aircraft have these. Never seen them on other airlines.

I've never noticed this, despite almost always being in 1C! I'll have a look tomorrow :)

I paid for EasyJet Plus. So, FastTrack security at MAN, extra piece of handbaggae and free seat selection. Well worth it.

I'm also now a member of Flight Club. So, I get unlimited free flight changes - which is very useful.

bertheike Oct 25, 2016 12:18 pm

just booked LHR-DXB_BKK_DXB_LHR and found for our seats now i have to pay 25 Euro * 4 sectors = 100 Euro per person !!! :td:
all our last 4 trips on Ek had been saver, but never had to pay for seats.

m3red Oct 25, 2016 12:24 pm


Originally Posted by bertheike (Post 27391793)
just booked LHR-DXB_BKK_DXB_LHR and found for our seats now i have to pay 25 Euro * 4 sectors = 100 Euro per person !!! :td:
all our last 4 trips on Ek had been saver, but never had to pay for seats.

Welcome to the new world of EK. £ before loyalty

ft101 Oct 25, 2016 1:00 pm


Originally Posted by bertheike (Post 27391793)
just booked LHR-DXB_BKK_DXB_LHR and found for our seats now i have to pay 25 Euro * 4 sectors = 100 Euro per person !!! :td:
all our last 4 trips on Ek had been saver, but never had to pay for seats.

You still don't have to pay for seats - it's your choice.

Can you confirm the 100 Euro cost? From LHR I would have expected it to be quoted in GBP, and there should be a discount from the individual sector cost when buying the complete outbound or inbound together. I haven't noticed yet what the discount would be so trying to get an idea.

bertheike Oct 25, 2016 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 27391980)
You still don't have to pay for seats - it's your choice.

Can you confirm the 100 Euro cost? From LHR I would have expected it to be quoted in GBP, and there should be a discount from the individual sector cost when buying the complete outbound or inbound together. I haven't noticed yet what the discount would be so trying to get an idea.

Just double checked again.
i clicked every 4 segments and for any it is 25 Euro, so in the end them want to charge 100 Euro.
I booked via a NL website, so the original booking is in Euro, and them claim in this link you posted the price for seat reservation is always qouted in the same curencey as the original booking.
That's a litle bit overpriced for a "normal" Y seat. If it would be 10 Euro per sector , ok. may be 25 Euro for "special" exit front seats ..., but this ??? :td:
Would like to know who spend 100 Euro for only to reserve the seats on a Europe -Asia rt. ?

kuroko Oct 25, 2016 11:44 pm


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 27391980)

Can you confirm the 100 Euro cost? From LHR I would have expected it to be quoted in GBP, and there should be a discount from the individual sector cost when buying the complete outbound or inbound together. I haven't noticed yet what the discount would be so trying to get an idea.

There is no discount (yet?).

DXB to EU/Asia/Africa is ~25$, DXB to AU/NZ ~40$ per sector, so EU to Asia 100$ return

Trusty Oct 26, 2016 12:34 am


Originally Posted by bertheike (Post 27392704)
That's a litle bit overpriced for a "normal" Y seat. If it would be 10 Euro per sector , ok. may be 25 Euro for "special" exit front seats ..., but this ??? :td:
Would like to know who spend 100 Euro for only to reserve the seats on a Europe -Asia rt. ?

+1.

Now, sometimes it's better to jut buy flex ticket (no fee in such situation).
On the positive: better chances to get good seat if decided to book it or buy Flex ticket..

pomkiwi Oct 26, 2016 12:45 am


Originally Posted by bertheike (Post 27392704)
That's a litle bit overpriced for a "normal" Y seat. If it would be 10 Euro per sector , ok. may be 25 Euro for "special" exit front seats ..., but this ??? :td:
Would like to know who spend 100 Euro for only to reserve the seats on a Europe -Asia rt. ?

Was the fare using EK more than 100 Euro less than the competition? If so you are still getting the better overall deal (with an EK price rise albeit one that can be avoided).

With most airlines I find I now have to look much further than the initial fare quote to decide which is cheapest - seat selection, baggage charges etc. Of course sometimes this calculation works in EKs favour - if travelling in J I do not have to pay airport travel or parking costs which is a saving of over £100 compared with the total cost of travelling BA (and at the moment I don't have to pay for seat selection with BA either).

However on balance I would prefer a single charge that covered flight, food, drink, seat and baggage when flying long haul (although happy to have the car when EK fares remain competitive ;))

skywardhunter Oct 26, 2016 12:55 am


Originally Posted by pomkiwi (Post 27394035)
However on balance I would prefer a single charge that covered flight, food, drink, seat and baggage when flying long haul (although happy to have the car when EK fares remain competitive ;))

You're in luck, EK offers such a fare, it's called a Y Flex or Y Flex Plus :)

in J there's no charge for seat selection regardless of fare type.

msm2000uk Oct 26, 2016 1:51 am


Originally Posted by skywardhunter (Post 27394053)
...in J there's no charge for seat selection regardless of fare type.

For now...

M

DYKWIA Oct 31, 2016 10:37 am


Originally Posted by ukdoctor (Post 27382128)
Easyjet are quite good. Especially if you do the flexi fare trick .


Moreover flexi fares allows a second piece of hand luggage and a £5 voucher for food /drink on board.

The one weird thing that I have noticed if I'm sitting on 1A is the axe on the wall near the door on most easyjet aircraft.

Do all aircraft have these. Never seen them on other airlines.

I looked out for this Axe today . . . It's actually a sign for the bullhorn, which looks like an Axe if you squint :D


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