Help me decode ExpertFlyer seat availability
So... curiosity can be dangerous. I bit the bullet and signed up to the EF Premium 5-day trial to look at my upcoming flight and now I'm lost in a sea of buckets.
I'm flying DMM-DXB-MAN on a Business Saver ticket (EK822 27-Aug / EK21 28-Aug). EK website shows I can purchase a miles upgrade for DMM-DXB, but not DXB-MAN. The seat selection shows mostly available seats on EJ822 but only one free seat on EK21, though I've learnt that doesn't necessarily count for anything. If I search for the flights in one go, ie DMM-MAN with a connection in DXB, it shows the same availability for both legs: F4 A4 J2 C0 I0 O0 P0 Y1 E0 R0 W0 M0 B0 U0 K0 H0 Q0 L0 T0 V0 X0 But if I split my search as two separate flights, the numbers change: EK822: F4 A4 J7 C7 I7 O0 P6 Y9 E9 R9 W9 M9 B9 U9 K0 H0 Q0 L0 T0 V0 X0 EK21: F4 A4 J2 C0 I0 O0 P0 Y3 E3 R2 W1 M0 B0 U0 K0 H0 Q0 L0 T0 V0 X0 Can someone help me understand what the above means - specifically, what are my chances of an op-up to F as a Gold? :D Thanks, Abhi |
First things first, you can't see upgrade classes from an availability search - you need to use the award search. First class reward seats and upgrades are in Z bucket and Business class upgrades and Business Awards are in D class.
EF is currently showing no availability for DMM-DXB-MAN journey because there isnt Z class seats available on both legs, only DMM-DXB has Z class availability. Based on the inventory you are showing there, your EK822 is quite open (not hugely, but certainly not full) and hence why they have released upgrade seats (in both J and F actually). Your EK 21 only is allowing 2 seats in Business class to be sold, so its much more full. Economy is also full. If you are Skywards Gold, I would say your chances of Op up to F are pretty high actually as they are likely going to need to move Y-J which is fullish anyway and hence will then move J-F. Regarding the 2 different inventory displays, its because EK is an OD carrier, for your itin, they are selling DMM-MAN, DXB-MAN and DMM-DXB which all have different pricing and inventory allocations. Hope this helps. Enjoy your flights and good luck! |
Originally Posted by jbflyboy84
(Post 25328636)
First things first, you can't see upgrade classes from an availability search - you need to use the award search. First class reward seats and upgrades are in Z bucket and Business class upgrades and Business Awards are in D class.
EF is currently showing no availability for DMM-DXB-MAN journey because there isnt Z class seats available on both legs, only DMM-DXB has Z class availability. Your EK 21 only is allowing 2 seats in Business class to be sold, so its much more full. Economy is also full. If you are Skywards Gold, I would say your chances of Op up to F are pretty high actually as they are likely going to need to move Y-J which is fullish anyway and hence will then move J-F. Regarding the 2 different inventory displays, its because EK is an OD carrier, for your itin, they are selling DMM-MAN, DXB-MAN and DMM-DXB which all have different pricing and inventory allocations. Hope this helps. Enjoy your flights and good luck! |
Originally Posted by ashivraj
(Post 25328733)
Forgive my ignorance - what is an OD carrier?
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Originally Posted by ashivraj
(Post 25328733)
I wasn't planning on purchasing an award upgrade, just added the info in case it helped with my query. But there's something new I've learnt today! ^
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Originally Posted by jbflyboy84
(Post 25328636)
First things first, you can't see upgrade classes from an availability search - you need to use the award search. First class reward seats and upgrades are in Z bucket and Business class upgrades and Business Awards are in D class.
EF is currently showing no availability for DMM-DXB-MAN journey because there isnt Z class seats available on both legs, only DMM-DXB has Z class availability. Based on the inventory you are showing there, your EK822 is quite open (not hugely, but certainly not full) and hence why they have released upgrade seats (in both J and F actually). Your EK 21 only is allowing 2 seats in Business class to be sold, so its much more full. Economy is also full. If you are Skywards Gold, I would say your chances of Op up to F are pretty high actually as they are likely going to need to move Y-J which is fullish anyway and hence will then move J-F. Regarding the 2 different inventory displays, its because EK is an OD carrier, for your itin, they are selling DMM-MAN, DXB-MAN and DMM-DXB which all have different pricing and inventory allocations. Hope this helps. Enjoy your flights and good luck! Y looks way over. Decent chance of an upgrade if F is empty although its a high status route MAN although probably not at this time of the year. |
Don't forget you also don't see things like standby lists and staff load on Expertflyer - I think on EK21, there might be a good chance of an op-up J-F :)
But of course, I would not create an expectation of an op-up because that way lies only disappointment, should it not materialise. After all, people miss their connections all the time...! Also, DXB-UK mileage upgrades are some of the best value uses of miles around, so even if you don't get it, I'd probably do an on-board upgrade... |
[QUOTE=eternaltransit;25329324]Don't forget you also don't see things like standby lists and staff load on Expertflyer - I think on EK21, there might be a good chance of an op-up J-F :)
But of course, I would not create an expectation of an op-up because that way lies only disappointment, should it not materialise. After all, people miss their connections all the time...! Also, DXB-UK mileage upgrades are some of the best value uses of miles around, so even if you don't get it, I'd probably do an on-board upgrade...[/QUOTE] for 21 I wouldnt bother... I was once on a flight that was way over in Y and I was hoping for J to F. No upgrade happened because 30 people missed the connection. |
M3red- you are making me nervous with "30people missed their connection"!. I am on the EK20 in F with 1h 15m connexion in DXB. Never had such a tight connection. Should I start to prepare for the worst??? Because it will mean an overnight stay should I miss the connecting flight!
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Originally Posted by gillyd22
(Post 25330688)
M3red- you are making me nervous with "30people missed their connection"!. I am on the EK20 in F with 1h 15m connexion in DXB. Never had such a tight connection. Should I start to prepare for the worst??? Because it will mean an overnight stay should I miss the connecting flight!
I'm sure 8 or 9 /10 you'd make it. You'd probably get an op up on the next flight too. |
Thanks m3red. Next sector is also F so no op Up!!!!! I'll just keep my fingers crossed and hope I'm the 8 or 9!!
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Originally Posted by gillyd22
(Post 25330966)
Thanks m3red. Next sector is also F so no op Up!!!!! I'll just keep my fingers crossed and hope I'm the 8 or 9!!
In J - different day, same flight, same connection time - I got the personal escort gate to gate. I'm told that they make the extra effort for J/F - so hopefully you'll make it! |
Thanks for that. Feel somewhat calmer!!!
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Postscript: made the connection with plenty of time, even popped into the lounge. Got to gate and the guy in front of me got a J-F op-up... no such luck for me. Looked at the manifest on board, me and 3 other Golds in J.
No complaints about the J experience though :) |
Originally Posted by ashivraj
(Post 25340851)
Postscript: made the connection with plenty of time, even popped into the lounge. Got to gate and the guy in front of me got a J-F op-up... no such luck for me. Looked at the manifest on board, me and 3 other Golds in J.
No complaints about the J experience though :) |
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