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Originally Posted by iahphx
(Post 24856939)
Of course I'm familiar with the Economist -- it's a boring English-based magazine that few people actually read.
I'm sure many people find The Economist "boring", but they would not be the kind of people who could offer any kind of informed opinion on any of the matters raised in this thread. |
Originally Posted by irishguy28
(Post 24861795)
I'm sure many people find The Economist "boring", but they would not be the kind of people who could offer any kind of informed opinion on any of the matters raised in this thread.
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Originally Posted by edy4eva
(Post 24860464)
It doesn't take a genius or an analyst to pull up relevant research on the matter from the internet. And any talk of media independence/impartiality is ridiculous, given how the US media can be bought/sold and manipulated. The US media propaganda is the most successful in the world because the masses refuse to recognise it as being one!
US3 so far ran ads in Washington, DC and in cities with aviation summits. Target audience are US politicians, ME3 leadership and aviation analysts. They are not trying to convince general public. |
Originally Posted by FD1971
(Post 24861482)
Sorry for being so blunt, but I simply do not have the time and most of your arguments are not really worth an investment of time (most of them have been answered already or are not really part of the discussion)
As pointed out before, EK paid for my trips to Dubai&the air show and also paid me teaching at their training facilities (back in the days when the Tennis Stadium was just around the corner) , so maybe you should stick to announcing the next song and singer instead of trying to play airline analyst. You see "Radio" in my user name and make the (completely wrong) assumption that I'm a radio announcer, despite the fact that I've said all over FT (including in this thread) that I'm an engineer. Similarly you see EK's offer of "free limos" and "showers" and make the (completely wrong) association that every passenger on "the lowest possible Y fare" gets these perks. You have a sense that there's a gold market in Dubai and make the (completely unfounded) assumption that all the poverty-stricken backpackers and poor people from India are buying up gold on their "free stopovers." Far from having "already answered" the disconnect between cheap Y fares and "free limos" or the absence of any non-stop Australia-Europe flights, you just dodge the question and sling accusations. There is no logic, just random word association. Clearly any "training" you had from EK was wasted.
Originally Posted by FD1971
(Post 24861381)
Gääähhnnnn. :rolleyes:
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We've heard enough accusations, opinions, insults, theories, remarks, etc, etc regarding EK being subsidized. A whole big thread with a whole lot of nothing.
Either prove with out a doubt that EK is subsidized or don't waste our time any more. |
Originally Posted by NOIR
(Post 24864556)
We've heard enough accusations, opinions, insults, theories, remarks, etc, etc regarding EK being subsidized. A whole big thread with a whole lot of nothing.
Either prove with out a doubt that EK is subsidized or don't waste our time any more. |
Originally Posted by NOIR
(Post 24864556)
We've heard enough accusations, opinions, insults, theories, remarks, etc, etc regarding EK being subsidized. A whole big thread with a whole lot of nothing.
Either prove with out a doubt that EK is subsidized or don't waste our time any more. I understand that you prefer black, some of your colleagues in the stands right next to you prefer grey smoke, but both of you cannot ignore the cold hard reality of $44 Billion and the expert opinion of way too many guys with insider information. I do not even want to use words like common sense, I simply do not expect any common sense from people who lack the most basic qualifications to judge. Being an EK fan is simply not enough...
Originally Posted by RadioGirl
(Post 24864255)
And again, here is an excellent example of your (lack of) reasoning.
You see "Radio" in my user name and make the (completely wrong) assumption that I'm a radio announcer, despite the fact that I've said all over FT (including in this thread) that I'm an engineer. Similarly you see EK's offer of "free limos" and "showers" and make the (completely wrong) association that every passenger on "the lowest possible Y fare" gets these perks. You have a sense that there's a gold market in Dubai and make the (completely unfounded) assumption that all the poverty-stricken backpackers and poor people from India are buying up gold on their "free stopovers." Far from having "already answered" the disconnect between cheap Y fares and "free limos" or the absence of any non-stop Australia-Europe flights, you just dodge the question and sling accusations. There is no logic, just random word association. Clearly any "training" you had from EK was wasted. That is the most coherent thing you've said in this entire thread. If I were you, I'd leave it at that. Sorry for being so blunt, but I simply do not have the time and most of your arguments are not really worth an investment of time (most of them have been answered already or are not really part of the discussion) If you come up with something new, I am more than happy to invest a few minutes. |
Originally Posted by FD1971
(Post 24861482)
As pointed out before, EK paid for my trips to Dubai&the air show and also paid me teaching at their training facilities (back in the days when the Tennis Stadium was just around the corner) , so maybe you should stick to announcing the next song and singer instead of trying to play airline analyst. For the "migrant workers" category, EK paid for a lot of trips for a lot of people; and they even paid for janitorial services training. Airline analysts, the lot them? Either way, not impressed by hot air and hollow claims about EK, LH, and UA. Did EK welcome you as a "migrant worker"? Did they pay you good money? If not, what a scam. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 24865056)
So you are claiming to be in on the scam? Then what a scandal.
For the "migrant workers" category, EK paid for a lot of trips for a lot of people; and they even paid for janitorial services training. Airline analysts, the lot them? Either way, not impressed by hot air and hollow claims about EK, LH, and UA. Did EK welcome you as a "migrant worker"? Did they pay you good money? If not, what a scam. Weber used to work the streets in Bonn and Berlin in a different way. I do not think that anyone who worked in the Middle East as a foreign expert complained about the payment and treatment, once again highlighting the difference they make between cheap workers from certain parts of the World and more expensive workers from other parts of the World. And once again, your blind hate for the US3 or the TSA or Fleece Shirts makes you a poster child for biased comments, which is sad, you def. have something to offer, please do not wrap it into the usual boring tirades about the US3 or EU3. All those carriers are making use of all the tricks available in that big playbook, the ME3 just did it at the wrong time and copied too many tricks from that book over a very short period of time. ;) |
Originally Posted by FD1971
(Post 24865017)
It is beautiful to see the fans ignore reality.
I understand that you prefer black, some of your colleagues in the stands right next to you prefer grey smoke, but both of you cannot ignore the cold hard reality of $44 Billion and the expert opinion of way too many guys with insider information. I do not even want to use words like common sense, I simply do not expect any common sense from people who lack the most basic qualifications to judge. Being an EK fan is simply not enough... |
Originally Posted by Enzokk
(Post 24865103)
Once again with the $44 Billion number, are you actually attributing the whole of the US3 White Paper allegations to EK alone? Or do you have information that EK has had $44 Billion in subsidies that were not found by the US3 investigation? Or are you deliberately quoting the whole amount for the ME3 to EK to make it sound worse?
To be honest with you, this is already more than enough and will educate the average reader about what is going on at Emirates...or Qatar or Etihad or Turkish. |
How does this compare with the $26 billion that Boeing has lost on 787 by deferred accounting or is this not a "scam" as it is a USA company.
At least Airbus accounts for losses as it makes them not apportioning them across the next 1300 planes they make. |
"Doing business 'internally'" is big business in the US, including for the US3 and EU3 with huge frequent flyer program businesses. Is that a scam or a scandal too?
Originally Posted by FD1971
(Post 24865097)
And once again, your blind hate for the US3 or the TSA or Fleece Shirts makes you a poster child for biased comments, which is sad, you def. have something to offer, please do not wrap it into the usual boring tirades about the US3 or EU3.
Of course, the above post's reference to hatred is rather telling, if not misdirected, as with the hand that points a finger of accusation but has more fingers pointed back at the person with the pointing hand. There is good reason to think that this thread was started and driven forward in a reflection of the xenophobic hatred of a sort that drives emotions against EK and some selected others. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 24865211)
"Doing business 'internally'" is big business in the US, including for the US3 and EU3 with huge frequent flyer program businesses. Is that a scam or a scandal too?
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Originally Posted by FD1971
(Post 24865017)
It is beautiful to see the fans ignore reality.
I understand that you prefer black, some of your colleagues in the stands right next to you prefer grey smoke, but both of you cannot ignore the cold hard reality of $44 Billion and the expert opinion of way too many guys with insider information. I do not even want to use words like common sense, I simply do not expect any common sense from people who lack the most basic qualifications to judge. Being an EK fan is simply not enough... I thought I made it clear that we don't care about your feelings, impressions, judgments, accusations, what's so ever any more, so learn to move on. Only if you have solid proof with out a doubt that EK is subsidized come back to us which will be hard to do because not even the heads of the US3 can prove that as now. What ever makes your boat float Hanz. |
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